List of Osama Abdallah's
fabricated lies & deliberate alteration of quotes, WITH CLEAR-CUT PROOFS!
Quennel Gale
Recently Osama Abdallah has gone on a tyraid accusing anybody who disagrees with Islam, a liar and various other names. On his latest article he has accused Mr. Craig Winn of lying against Islam and Muhammad.
http://www.answering-christianity.com/craig_winns_list_of_lies.htm
What
Mr. Abdallah seems to forget is that there exists an abundance of evidence of
his lies and misrepresentations against others. In this article we will
demonstrate many of these lies from time memorial and prove to you once and for
all that “a true liar can’t afford to call others by the same name”. We begin
here:
LIE #1. ADAM 90 FEET? BUT WAIT SINCE
IT WAS WRONG IT ISN’T HIS FAULT THOUGH HE SAID IT WAS RIGHT FOR OVER 2 YEARS!
Here is the first
evidence we present to you regarding Osama Abdallah lying, taken from his own
website:
http://www.answering-christianity.com/adam_90_feet_tall.htm
While
I openly admitted and still admit (because I have nothing to fear)
that I was wrong in not posting a WARNING MESSAGE on the top
of the article, telling the reader that this article requires further
investigation, but I assumed that it was pretty much self-explanatory
and that my readers did understand my intentions because I got used to so many
contributions to my site's articles.
The
reason why I removed this article was not because Jochen
Katz exposed me as he so hopelessly convinced himself to have accomplished, but
rather because I finally came to the conclusion after so many debates on my
previous message board right in front of Jochen Katz'
eyes (since he was a participant on my board) that the Hadiths
(the collections of Prophet Muhammad's Sayings) are like the Bible; they are
filled with man's corruption.
Osama tries to cover up
his obvious blunder on Adam by throwing out this information on the Hadith and the Bible. However, Osama failed to tell you
that Denis Giron made up this claim which Mr. Katz
pointed out:
http://www.answering-islam.org/Responses/Osama/90feet-adam.htm
Even Mr. Giron showed how stupid and naďve Osama Abdallah truly is
and how he duped him:
http://www.geocities.com/freethoughtmecca/profiles2.html
To show you just how
silly Osama is to the apologetic world, look what his own fellow Muslim Nadir
Ahmed wrote about him:
Debate Review:
Is Muhammad(P) a True Prophet?
Osama Abdullah vs. Sam Shamoun
http://www.examinethetruth.com/
The foolish,
ignorant and sloppy Osama Abdullah smashes the Bible irrevocably, and exposes
Sam Shamoun’s Lord and Savior as nothing more than a
“rat” on the run, thus winning the debate.
Osama Abdullah, has to be one of the
worst debaters I have ever seen. He had probably one of the worst
performance imaginable, and because of
his stupidity, he was a complete embarrassment for Islam. For the most
part, he was self contradictory,
delusional, and at times out right absurd, but in spite of all that, in the end,
he pulled through and won the debate, proving Prophet Muhammed(P)
was a true Prophet and the Bible a corrupt document. To Sam Shamoun’s
credit, he did do a good job of exposing Osama Abdullah as a fool who conducts shoddy research. The over confident Shamoun clearly demonstrated that Osama’s website http://www.answering-christianity.org/ is well over rated, and is not all that meets the eye, as
Osama would like people to think. But that
is where it ended for Shamoun.
See this for yourself;
Stupid, Absurd, Delusional. Perfect descriptions of Osama Abdallah. For more on
how Sam exposed Nadir Ahmed and his red herring, even though it was Nadir who
called Osama all these wonderful names, please see here:
http://www.answering-islam.org/Responses/NA/debate-review.htm
LIE #2. CLAIMING THAT SOLOMON WAS
COMMITTING “ILLEGAL SEX”!
The book of Song of Songs:
"Verse 1 appears
to ascribe authorship to Solomon. Solomon is referred to seven times, and
several verses speak of the 'king', but whether he was the author remains an
open question. (From the NIV Bible
Commentary, page 997)"
"Two
lovers, Solomon and a Shulamite girl, express their
feelings for one another, with occasional comments made by friends. (From the King James Version Commentary, page 945)"
Notice how he quoted part of the KJV commentary. Then he
tries to argue from his site:
The KJV Bible's Theologians
and Historians say that the porn-full
book talks about Solomon and his lover. But we don't know whether it
was Solomon who wrote this book or not, nor do we know whether this is some
ridiculous poem and a lie written after he died or not.
One must ask a simple
question here: Why should there be "lovers" in the Bible?
Why should there be illegal sex and
disgusting pornography in the Bible? - http://www.answering-christianity.com/authors_gospels.htm
Notice the term “illegal sex”. What is illegal sex in Islam? Dr. Shahid Athar explains:
Concept of Adultery in Islam
God says in the Quran, "Do not go near to adultery. Surely it is a shameful deed and evil, opening roads (to other evils)" (17:32). "Say, 'Verily, my Lord has prohibited the shameful deeds, be it open or secret, sins and trespasses against the truth and reason"' (7:33). "Women impure are for men impure, and men impure are for women impure and women of purity are for men of purity, and men of purity are for women of purity" (24:26). Prophet Muhammad (PBUH), has said in many place that adultery is one of the three major sins. However the most interesting story is that of a young man who went to the Prophet and asked for permission to fornicate because he could not control himself. The Prophet dealt with him with reasoning and asked him if he would approve of someone else having illegal sex with his mother, sister, daughter or wife. Each time the man said 'no'. Then the Prophet replied that the woman with whom you plan to have sex is also somebody's mother, sister, daughter or wife. The man understood and repented. The Prophet prayed for his forgiveness.
Adultery is a crime not against
one person but against the whole of society. It is a violation of marital
contract. 50% of
all first time marriages in this country result in divorce in two years and the
main reason for divorce is the adultery of one of the partners. Adultery, which
includes both pre-marital and extra marital sex, is an epidemic in this
society. Nobody seems to listen to the
Bible which says frequently, "Thou shall not commit adultery." The Quranic approach is, "Do not approach adultery."
What does it mean that not only is illegal sex prohibited, but anything which leads to illegal sex is also illegal? These things include dating, provocative dress, nudity, obscenity and pornography. The dress code both for men and women is to protect them from temptation and desires by on lookers who may lose self-control and fall into sin. "Say to the believing men that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that will make for greater purity, and God is well acquainted with all they do. And say to the believing woman that they should lower their gaze, and guard their modesty" (24:30-3 1).
Concept of Marriage in Islam
Islam recognizes the strong sexual urge and desire for reproduction. Thus Islam encourages marriage as a legal sexual means and as a shield from immorality (sex without commitment). In Islam the marriage of a man and woman is not just a financial and legal living arrangement, not even just for reproduction, but providing a total commitment to each other, a contract witnessed by God. Love and joy of companionship is a part of the commitment. A married couple assumes a new social status and responsibility for himself, his wife and his children and for the community. The Quran says, "Among His signs is that He created consorts for you from among yourself, so that you may find tranquillity with them, and (He) set love and compassion between you. Verily in this are signs for people who reflect" (30:21).
Sayings of prophet Mohammed 
"Marriage is my tradition. He
who rejects my tradition is not of me" (Bukhari,
Muslim).
"Marriage is half of religion. The other half is being God-fearing" (Tabarani, Hakim).
In Islam there is no fixed rule as to the age of marriage. It is becoming fashionable for young Muslim men not to marry until they have completed their education, have a job, or reached age 26-30 or more. Similarly young Muslim girls say they want to marry after age 24. Why? When asked, they say, "I am not ready for it." Not ready for what? Don't they have normal sexual desire? If the answer is yes, then they have only one of the two choices a) marry or b) postpone sex (abstinence until they marry). The Quran says, "Let those who find not the where withal for marriage, to keep them selves chaste till God find them the means from His Grace" (24:33).
The
Prophet said, "Those of you who own the means should marry, otherwise
should keep fasting for it curbs desires" (Ibn Massoud). The Western reason for delaying marriage is
different than ours. When I suggested this to one of my sexually active young
female patients, she bluntly said, "I don't want to sleep with the same
guy every night." - http://www.islamfortoday.com/athar19.htm
As you can clearly see here, “ILLEGAL SEX” IN ISLAM IS ADULTERY or
fornication. So Osama Abdallah is claiming that Song of Song’s is pornographic
because Solomon is allegedly committing adultery! He even uses the KJV quote
below to try and prove his point. Notice in green shade what he quoted and what
the full quote actually says:
Two lovers,
Solomon and A Shulamite girl, express their feelings
for one another, with occasional comments made by friends. The book has no narrative sections, being composed
entirely of speeches to each other. The
Song of Solomon is a celebration OF MARITAL LOVE, UNABASHEDLY PHYSICAL AND
EARTHLY (though not lewd). While the song is a straightforward love song,
not an allegory, Christians do know that behind
the bliss OF MARITAL LOVE stands the eternal love of God, which sanctifies the
love of men and women. HUSBANDS AND WIVES can love each other with physical
delight because they know the spirit of Christ purifies all human
relationships (From the King James Version Commentary, page 945)" Full
Quote
There is no porn found here. This
is between a husband and a wife SO OSAMA LIED ABOUT SOLOMON! If Osama has a
problem with this then why did he get married and have a kid? Is he committing
porn?
LIE#3. SAYS
THE BIBLE TALKS ABOUT WOMEN’S VAGINAS WHEN HE DOESN’T EVEN KNOW THE HEBREW WORD
FOR VAGINA LET ALONE FINDING IT IN THE HEBREW TEXT!
His
sister's vagina tastes like "wine":
"How
beautiful your sandaled feet, O prince's daughter! Your graceful legs are
like jewels, the work of a craftsman's hands. Your navel is a
rounded goblet that never lacks blended wine. Your waist is a
mound of wheat encircled by lilies. Your breasts are like two
fawns, twins of a gazelle. Your neck is like an ivory tower.
Your eyes are the pools of Heshbon by the gate of
Bath Rabbi.
.......
I said 'I
will climb the palm tree; I will take hold of its fruit.' May your
breasts be like the clusters of the vine, the fragrance of your breath like
apples, and your mouth like the best wine. (The NIV Bible, Song of Songs
7:1-4, 8-9)"
According to
the documentary film "Sex in the Bible" on A&E TV Station,
the Hebrew translation to "Your naval" is referring to the woman's
VAGINA. The English translators substituted the word "NAVEL"
WITH "VAGINA." Please rent a copy of the movie and watch
it. This was sent to me by my dear brother in Islam Mike who embraced
Islam just recently; may Allah Almighty always be pleased with him.
If his theologians and scholars
were objective and truthful then they should have shown from the Hebrew text
where the word “navel” was actually the word “vagina”. Look at the Jewish
translation of the Bible and see for yourself what the verse actually says:
Thy NAVEL is like a round goblet, wherein
no mingled wine is wanting; thy BELLY
is like a heap of wheat set about with lilies. 7:3 Jewish Publication Society
(JPS) http://www.breslov.com/bible/Song_of_Songs7.htm#2
shârerękh 'aggan hassahar
'al-yechsar hammâzegh bithnękh `aręmath chithiym sughâh bashoshanniym- Hebrew transliteration
Now is Osama going to accuse the
Hebrew native Jewish translators of misunderstanding their own language now?
Why didn’t they translate it as the word ‘vagina’? Also what is missing from
Osama’s argument is “the Hebrew word for vagina”. If he wanted to prove to
us that these theologians were correct then he should have said “the Hebrew
word for vagina is this, and the Bible actually has this word in Song of Songs
and it was mistranslated as navel”. Instead he claims some cable T.V.
documented something, while not presenting us any transcript or full video clip
of this show to verify if it is true or not. However, Osama’s fantastical claim
leaves Islam in a flux. As the Learner mentions:
As far as
the first question is concerned, it is obvious that the Qur'an,
as any decent and sober literature would do, has only avoided direct
reference (in words) to the male sexual organ. Through the words that it has
used, the Qur'an has made a complete euphemistic
reference to the point of emanation of the sperm, while successfully
avoiding naming it. Naming it would definitely have negatively affected the
literary value of the Qur'an. (Learner of
understanding Islam site)
The Quran does in fact explicitly
refer to the sexual parts of a human, specifically the sexual areas of a woman,
in rather vulgar fashion. For instance, in narrating the virginal conception
and birth of Jesus the Quran unashamedly refers to
Mary as one that guarded her sexual organ:
And
(remember) her who guarded her SEXUAL ORGAN (Arabic-farjahaa):
We breathed into her from Our Spirit, and We made her and her son a Sign for
all people. S. 21:91
And Mary the daughter of 'Imran, who guarded her SEXUAL ORGAN (Arabic-farjahaa) and We breathed INTO IT of Our spirit;
and she testified to the truth of the words of her Lord and of His revelations,
and was one of the devout (servants). S. 66:12
Mahmoud M. Ayoub contrasts the birth
narratives of the Gospel of Luke with that mentioned in the Quran.
All bold and capital emphasis is ours:
"The
language of this verse (author- Luke 1:35) is clearly circumspect. It
implies no sexual union or divine generation of any kind. Furthermore, while
Luke's description agrees both in form and spirit with the Qur'anic
idea of the conception of Christ, the language of the Qur'an
IS FAR MORE GRAPHIC AND OPEN TO INTERPRETATION." (Christian-Muslim
Encounters, ed. Yvonne Yazbeck Haddad & Wadi Z. Haddad [University Press of Florida, 1995], p. 67)
He goes on to say:
"...Then
of Mary He (author-allegedly God) continues: 'And she who guarded well [lit.
fortified] her chastity [lit. GENERATIVE ORGAN], and thus We breathed INTO
HER of our spirit, and We made her and her son a sign [or miracle, 'Aya] for all beings' (S. 21:90-91) ...
"In the second instance the Qur'an speaks of Mary as a righteous woman who lived in
strict chastity and obedience to God: 'And Mary daughter of 'Imran who guarded well her GENERATIVE ORGAN farjaha, and thus We breathed INTO HER of
our spirit' (S. 66:12). THE BOLD AND GRAPHIC STATEMENT APPEARS TO HAVE
SHOCKED TRADITIONISTS AND COMMENTATORS, so that most of them tried to cover it
up with different and FARFETCHED significations or glossed over it with out
comment...
"Ibn
Kathir interprets the phrase 'guarded well her
generative organ' to mean: 'safeguarded and protected it. Guarding well ihsan signifies chastity and high birth.' He
comments on the phrase, 'and thus We breathed into it of our spirit' thus 'that
is, through the angel Gabriel. This is because God sent him to her, and he took
for her the form of a man of good stature (S. 19:17). God commanded him to
breathe INTO THE BREAST OF HER CHEMISE. HIS BREATH WENT DOWN AND PENETRATED
HER GENERATIVE ORGAN, AND THUS CAUSED HER TO CONCEIVE JESUS..."
(Ibid.)
Finally:
"Abu
Ja'far al-Tusi, the jurist
doctor of the Shi'i community, as well as his well
known disciple al-Tabarsi, read the words, 'We
breathed INTO IT' literally. Al-Tusi says: 'It
has been held that Gabriel BREATHED INTO MARY'S GENERATIVE ORGAN then
God created Christ in it'..." (Ibid., p. 68)
Here is Ibn Kathir's
commentary on S. 66:12:
<And
Maryam, the daughter of 'Imran
who guarded her chastity (PRIVATE PART).> meaning who protected
and purified her honor, by being chaste and free of immorality,
<And We breathed INTO IT
(PRIVATE PART) through Our Ruh,> meaning,
through the angel Jibril. Allah sent the angel Jibril to Maryam, and he came to
her in the shape of a man in every respect. Allah commanded him TO BLOW into
a gap of her garment and that breath went into her womb THROUGH HER PRIVATE
PART; this is how 'Isa was conceived. This is why
Allah said here,
<And We breathed INTO IT
through Our Ruh, and she testified to the truth of
her Lords Kalimat, and His Kutub,>
meaning His decree and His legislation. (Tafsir
Ibn Kathir - Abridged,
Volume 10, Surat At-Tagabun
to the end of the Qur'an, pp. 75-76; bold and
capital emphasis ours)
Muhammad Asad also recognized
that the term farjahaa literally meant the
sexual area of a woman. Asad comments on S. 21:91 and
states:
"...
As for the description of Mary as allati ahsanat farjaha,
idiomatically denoting 'one who guarded her chastity' (lit., 'HER PRIVATE PARTS')..."
(Asad, The Message of the Qur'an
[Dar Al-Andalus Limited, 3 Library Ramp, Gibraltar,
rpt. 1993], p. 500, f. 87; bold and capital emphasis ours)
Another rather explicit reference to a woman's sexual area
includes:
"Surely
for the godfearing awaits a place of security,
gardens and vineyards, and maidens of SWELLING BREASTS (kawa'ib), like of age, and a cup overflowing."
S. 78:33 Arberry (see also Dawood,
Rodwell)
Ibn Kathir comments on the meaning of kawa'ib:
<And vineyards, and Kawa'ib Atrab,>
meaning, wide-eyed maidens WITH FULLY DEVELOPED BREASTS. Ibn 'Abbas, Mujahid
and others have said,
<Kawa'ib>
"This means ROUND BREASTS. They meant by this THAT THE BREASTS OF THESE
GIRLS WILL BE FULLY ROUNDED AND NOT SAGGING, because they will be virgins,
equal in age..." (Ibid., pp. 333-334; bold and capital emphasis ours)
To imagine that in paradise one finds women with firm round
breasts for sexual pleasure is rather incredulous to say the least. Not only is
the Hebrew word for “vagina” not found in the verse Osama claims (Song of Songs
7:2) but an explicit reference to the female sexual organ is found in the Quran. In Osama’s words we now have
PORN IN THE SEX-FILLED QURAN ALONG WITH BIG BREASTED WOMEN!
LIE#4. SAYS
THE ORIGNAL PEOPLE OF KEDAR (THE ARABS) ARE 100% MUSLIM
6. "I, the
LORD , have called you in righteousness; I will take hold of your hand. I will
keep you and will make you to be a covenant for the people and a
light for the Gentiles,
......
11. Let the desert and its towns raise their voices; let the
settlements where Kedar lives rejoice.
Let the people of Sela sing for joy; let them shout
from the mountaintops.
Important Note: Kedar
is the son of Ishmael peace be upon him: "These are the names of the sons of
Ishmael, listed in the order of their birth: Nebaioth
the firstborn of Ishmael, Kedar,
Adbeel, Mibsam, (From the
NIV Bible, Genesis 25:13)"
The people of Kedar are the original Arabs. They are
today's Saudis and Yemenis, and these are 100% Muslims! There is not a single Saudi or Yemeni who
is Christian today! They are nothing but Muslims. So the "light of the
Gentiles" and "Kedar
Lives rejoice" are clear Prophecies and
Signs for the Divine and Truthful Religion of Islam. - http://www.answering-christianity.com/isaiah.htm
Notice how Osama
fails to present any statistics to prove this fantastic claim of his. However,
like any lie of Mr. Abdallah, this too can easily be exposed as false. You can go to these sites and find information on
Yemeni Christians and Arab Christians:
http://www.opendoors.org.au/pgs/prfl/ym.htm
http://www.strategicnetwork.org/index.php?loc=pe&pe=2069&
http://www.persecution.org/Countries/yemen.html
http://www.domini.org/openbook/sau20010719.htm
It is a well known fact that
all Arabs on the Arabic Peninsular aren’t Muslim. Hence Osama’s lie is nothing
more than an appeal to the emotion of the reader in trying to
authenticate his false argument.
LIE#5. SAYS THE BIBLE TALKS ABOUT
DEFLORATION OF A WOMAN BUT WAIT! HE CAN’T FIND IT FROM THE BIBLE BUT THE
TALMUD!
Males in the Bible did it to females:
Before we get into the fathers
and daughters issue, it is important first to know that some males in the Bible did it to females. Let us look at the
following information:
"There were, of course,
others who might examine accused brides. Dwyer, 63, notes the role of doctors
in modern
To protect Mr. Jeffrey H. Tigay's article from vanishing one day on the internet as
many valuable articles did before, I have copied his entire article on my site
at: www.answering-christianity.com/accused_brides.htm .
Now let’s begin to analyze his evidence to see if both he and Mr. Tigay are truthful.
"There were, of
course, others who might examine accused brides. Dwyer, 63, notes the role of
doctors in modern
This part of his quote talks about "accused brides". Accused of what? Namely fornication before marriage. Now if Osama Abdallah is correct and the bible sanctions deflowering then
1. Where is the bible verse here?
2. Why is it talking about modern times instead of biblical times?
3. How can virgins be accused brides if deflowering was for anyone?
4. If virgins weren’t accused then deflowering wouldn’t be necessary would it?
Basically from reading the quote carefully we only see that, at best,
“deflowering” could only be for accused brides not everyone. We must also note
that
According to the Midrash Hagadol, Isaac himself
examined Rebekah digitally before their marriage (Midrash Hagadol to Genesis 24:67
[ed. M. Margulies;
Notice what this quote says:
According to the Midrash Hagadol
Osama Abdallah thinks that the Midrash Hagadol is the Bible! LOL!!! Here is what Genesis 24:67 says:
Isaac brought her into the tent of his mother Sarah, and he married Rebekah. So she became his wife, and he loved her; and Isaac was comforted after his mother's death.
There is no way possible to garner the idea of defloration here. Such a practice can only be justified by outside biblical information. Osama can’t use the bible and claim that this practice is justified. Basically his entire argument rests upon how others interpolated the bible to fit their own agenda. Osama has a very bad habit of using hypocrisy. Notice his claims against the Bible:
The Gospel of Mark:
"Although there is
no direct internal evidence of authorship, it was the unanimous testimony of
the early church that this Gospel was written by John Mark. (From the NIV Bible
Commentary, page 1488)"
&So, in reality, we
don't really know whether Mark was the sole author of this Gospel or not. And
since The New Testament wasn't even documented on paper until 150-300 years
(depending on what Christian you talk to) after Jesus, then how are we to know
for sure that the current "Gospel of Mark" wasn't written by some pro
of Mark? - http://www.answering-christianity.com/authors_gospels.htm
Here, he claims that we shouldn’t trust certain books in the Bible because they were allegedly 150-300 years even though he appeals to the Midrash! Look at when the Midrash was composed:
MIDRASH:
In Judaism, a large collection of writings that examine the Hebrew Bible in the light of oral tradition. Midrashic activity reached its height in the 2nd cent. AD with the schools of Ishmael ben Elisha and Akiba ben Joseph. The Midrashim are divided into two groups: Halakhah, which clarify legal issues; and Haggadah, nonlegal writings intended simply to enlighten. The Midrashim are extensively quoted in the Talmud. ( Source)
So, in one place Abdallah says its wrong to use material compiled 200 years after it is written. But in another instance, this hypocrite says that it is perfectly fine to use legends, composed in the 2nd century A.D., DEALING WITH GENESIS WHICH PROCEEDED IT BY OVER 2000 YEARS! HOW FOOLISH CAN YOU GET!!!
according to Pirke Rabbi Eliezer, chap. 16, p. 38a, the examination consisted of digital defloration [ref. courtesy of my colleague, Prof. Judah Goldin]).
But in his paper Osama says:
some males in the Bible did it to females.
But what does his quote say:
according to Pirke Rabbi Eliezer
Osama Abdallah thinks that a Rabbi is the bible!! LOL!!! Need we say more?
LIE#6. USES FALSE EVIDENCE WHICH
SAYS MARY EXAMINES SALOME USING DEFLORATION AS EVIDENCE AGAINST THE BIBLE!
According to the aprocryphal Book of James, sec. 19-20, Mary was likewise
examined digitally for virginity by Salome (New Testament Apocrypha, ed. E. Hennecke & W. Schneemelcher,
385; ref. courtesy of Prof. Tikva Frymer-Kensky
and my colleague Prof. Robert A. Kraft)."
Osama's folly knows no bounds. He is even willing to quote
from the apocryphal to prove his point, even though his paper claims to be
based on information from the Bible!! It is obvious that neither Mr.Tigay nor Mr. Abdallah have actually read the apocrypha
book of James for it says nothing close to what they claim:
XIX. I
And behold a woman coming down from the hillcountry,
and she said to me: Man, whither goest thou ? And I
said: I seek a midwife of the Hebrews. And she answered and said unto me: Art
thou of
And the midwife said unto him: Is
this the truth? And Joseph said unto her: Come hither and see. And the midwife
went with him.
2 And they stood in the place of
the cave: and behold a bright cloud overshadowing the cave. And the
midwife said: My soul is magnified this day, because mine eyes have seen marvellous things: for salvation is born unto
And the midwife cried aloud and
said: Great unto me to-day is this day, in that ! have seen this new sight. 3
And the midwife went forth of the cave and Salome met her. And she said to
her: Salome, Salome, a new sight have I to tell thee. A virgin hath brought
forth, which her nature alloweth not. And Salome
said: As the Lord my God liveth, if I make not trial
and prove her nature I will not believe that a virgin hath brought forth.
XX. 1 And the midwife went in and
said unto Mary: Order thyself, for there is no small contention arisen
concerning thee. Arid Salome made trial and cried out and said: Woe unto
mine iniquity and mine unbelief, because I have tempted the living God, and lo,
my hand falleth away from me in fire. And she bowed
her knees unto the Lord, saying: O God of my fathers, remember that I am the
seed of Abraham and Isaac and Jacob: make me not a public example unto the
children of Israel, but restore me unto the poor, for thou knowest, Lord, that in thy name did I perform my cures, and
did receive my hire of thee. 3 And lo, an angel of the Lord appeared, saying
unto her: Salome, Salome, the Lord hath hearkened to thee: bring thine hand near unto the young child and take him up, and
there shall be unto thee salvation and joy. 4 And Salome came near and took
him up, saying: I will do him worship, for a great king is born unto
http://wesley.nnu.edu/noncanon/gospels/gosjames.htm
As you can see, no such act of defloration took place here.
No such conclusion can be reached by reading the text itself. One can only
interpolate this idea back in to make it fit. The text shows that Salome wanted
to bring Mary to trial because of her own unbelief. What made Salome believe Mary wasn't defloration, but the healing power
of the child Jesus who healed her hand!! This is incredible and any attempt to
appeal to this book must be rejected as false in defense of defloration.
LIE#7. BELIEVES SONG OF SONGS
(BIBLE IN GENERAL) IS PORN BUT FINDS MUHAMMAD IN THIS SAME BIBLE!
Here is some other prophecies about the coming of the holy prophet of God , Muhammad(SAW), and pilgrimage in Bible. - http://www.answering-christianity.com/isaiah_mecca.htm
Despite of all Mr. Abdallah’s propaganda, twisting of bible verses and language concepts, Muhammad is never ever mentioned, by name, as being prophesied as a prophet or an apostle whatsoever. Muslims have clearly stated that "they want Christians to prove where Jesus claimed to be God" when they can't even show you where "Muhammad was mentioned as a prophet or a messenger of God". An example of Islamic tongue twisting is shown in the word "Machamad" and we must point out that Osama believes that the bible is corrupted. In this same corrupted book (along with trying to claim that every word which looks similar to Muhammad refers to him) he tries to find his prophet:
1.
MACHAMMADIM - From "MACHAMAD" which in this particular verse, the
words "altogether lovely" was translated from mahmad
(). is translated into "lovely". "Altogether" is added as a
contextual reference to "v'chulo" which means
"in entirety" or "absolutely". "MACHAMAD" means
"desirable, praiseworthy, beautiful, etc". Though it is archaic, it
is found elsewhere in the Bible to describe precious and coveted items. The
fact that this "MACHAMAD" evidently may well be the Prophet Muhammad
(may Allah's peace and blessings be upon him) has already been thoroughly
outlined and established.
To add further weight to these argument, let us take a closer look at this four
character word. The way this word is written is Hebrew is . That happens to be
the EXACT same way Muhammad's name is written in Hebrew. (Song of Song's 5:16
prophesy Muhammad; Found on www.answering-christianity.com)
Contradicts
Again, we don't know who wrote the book. Please visit X-Rated Pornography in the Bible regarding this PORNFUL and SICK book. (Just who were the real authors of the Bible? ; Found on www.answering-christianity.com)
It is totally self-contradicting to find Muhammad in a book of the bible and then mention elsewhere that this VERY SAME BOOK is pornful and sick and isn't from God!! Even the word "MACHAMMADIM", which Osama mentions, is used to describe objects in Hebrew which implies that if you are talking about something lovely, etc., you are referring to Muhammad!! The only way you can conclude that this refers to Muhammad is to hope for extreme wishful thinking and believe that everybody is blind and deaf enough to accept this conclusion. Hence, we must also conclude that Muhammad, with the added proof given by Osama Abdallah is found in a pornful, sick man made book written by some porn-hungry guy! This means that
1. Muhammad is a porno prophet
2. Man made tampering prophesied Muhammad
3. Muhammad is a prophet prophesied in a porn book not written by God therefore
he isn't a prophet of God but of porn.
4. Islam is a religion that verifies porn.
This is how these Muslim apologists think my friend when it comes to propagating Islam. One day the Bible prophesies Muhammad, the next day it isn't from God or is pornful. Now the question that begs to be answered is "If the Bible isn't from God and Muhammad is found in it then how can Muhammad be a prophet of God"? Or "If you don't know if the entire Bible isn't from God how do you know these verses with Muhammad are from God"?
LIE#8. BELIEVES THE KAABA IS THE
HOUSE OF GOD MENTIONED IN ISAIAH 60!
"And I Will glorify the house of my glory", and it refers to the Ka'ba in Mekka , the Sacred House for God's glory." -http://www.answering-christianity.com/isaiah_mecca.htm
First of all we find nowhere in which the word “Kaaba” is mentioned in the bible so how can Osama
legitimately prove that this is the truth? He has to resort to propaganda and
read this back into the Bible. If you read his site closely, particularly in
his "trinity sections" you will recognize that he continuously issues
this challenge "show me where Jesus claimed to be God". If you can't
answer his challenge then it would mean that Jesus isn't God since we never
seen him say this in the Bible.
One must immediately recognize the hypocrisy of this stance
since Osama is trying to prove that the Kaaba is the
sacred house mentioned in the Bible. He claims that the Trinity is false
because it isn’t mentioned in the Bible. So, we must ask him this question,
"How can you prove that this refers to the Kaaba
which also isn't mentioned?" The same Bible that this propagandist uses
mentions this about the "
Then
David said, "THE HOUSE OF THE LORD GOD is to be here, and also the
altar of burnt offering for
The duty of the Levites was to help
Aaron's descendants in the service of THE TEMPLE OF THE LORD : to be in
charge of the courtyards, the side rooms, the purification of all sacred things
and the performance of other duties AT THE HOUSE OF GOD. 1 Chronicles
23:28
All these men were under the
supervision of their fathers for the music of THE
"However, in the first year of
Cyrus king of
Also, the gold and silver
articles of THE HOUSE OF GOD, which Nebuchadnezzar took from the temple IN
JERUSALEM and brought to Babylon, are to be returned to their places IN THE
TEMPLE IN JERUSALEM; they are to be deposited IN THE HOUSE OF GOD. Now then, Tattenai, governor of
Trans-Euphrates, and Shethar-Bozenai and you, their
fellow officials of that province, stay away from there. Do not interfere
with the work ON THIS TEMPLE OF GOD. Let the governor of the Jews and the
Jewish elders rebuild THIS HOUSE OF GOD on its site. Moreover, I hereby
decree what you are to do for these elders of the Jews in the CONSTRUCTION OF
THIS HOUSE OF GOD: Ezra 6:5-8
One day I went to the house of Shemaiah son of Delaiah, the son
of Mehetabel, who was shut in at his home. He said, "Let
us meet in THE HOUSE OF GOD, INSIDE THE
One thing I ask of the Lord , this
is what I seek: that I may dwell in the THE HOUSE
OF THE LORD all the days of my life, to gaze upon the beauty of the Lord and to
SEEK HIM IN HIS
Blessed are those you choose and
bring near to live in your courts! We are filled with the good things OF
YOUR HOUSE, OF YOUR
Therefore, what I did to Shiloh I
will now do to THE HOUSE that bears my Name, THE
This is what the Lord Almighty
says: "You who now hear these words spoken by the prophets who were there when
the foundation was laid for THE HOUSE OF THE LORD ALMIGHTY, let your hands be
strong so that THE
It is totally incredulous to believe that Isaiah 60 is
talking about Muhammad and the Kaaba. We would be forced
to conclude that:
1. The Kaaba was originally the
2. That it was located in
3. If the Kaaba was in
Osama again exposes his ignorance of his pagan Quran and by using this same fallacious method we would be
forced to conclude that the Kaaba is not in
means
THE SACRED HOUSE which is IN
Ibn Kathir includes the following hadith:
I
remember being in Al-Hijr, and the Quraysh were asking me about my Night Journey. They
asked me things about Bayt Al-Maqdis
that I was not sure of, and I felt more anxious and stressed then than I
have ever felt. Then Allah raised up Bayt Al-Maqdis for me to see, and there was nothing they asked me
about but I told them about it. And I remember being in a gathering of the
Prophets. Musa was standing there praying, and he was
a man with curly hair, as if he were one of the men of Shanu'ah.
I saw 'Isa ibn Maryam standing there praying, and the one who most
resembles him is 'Urwah bin Mas'ud
Ath-Thaqafi. And I saw Ibrahim
standing there praying, and for the one who most resembles him is your
companion (meaning himself). Then the time for prayer came, and I led them in
prayer. When I finished, a voice said, 'O Muhammad, this is Malik,
the keeper of Hell,' so I turned to him, and he greeted me first. (Ibid., p.
571; bold emphasis ours)
The Sacred house is the temple mount in
LIE#9. BELIEVES DEUTERONOMY 31 SAYS
THE BIBLE IS CORRUPTED!
See
Also Deuteronomy 31:25-29 where Moses peace be upon him predicted the
corruption/tampering of the Law (Bible) after his death.
The Book of Moses predicted that
the Law (Bible) will get corrupted. The Book of Jeremiah which came
approximately 826 years after did indeed confirm this corruption.
When we look at the content around this verse we will see
just how desperate Osama is. He lies by trying to make the “elders” who were to
become corrected, the actual text of the Bible!! Read:
So Moses
wrote down this song that day and taught it to the Israelites. The LORD gave
this command to Joshua son of Nun: "Be strong and courageous, for you will
bring the Israelites into the land I promised them on oath, and I myself will
be with you." AFTER MOSES FINISHED WRITING IN A BOOK THE WORDS OF THIS
LAW FROM BEGINNING TO END, he gave this command to the Levites who carried
the ark of the covenant of the LORD: "Take this Book of the Law and
place it beside the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God. THERE IT WILL
REMAIN AS A WITNESS AGAINST YOU. For I know how rebellious and stiff-necked
you are. If you have been rebellious against the LORD while I am still alive
and with you, how much more will you rebel after I die! Assemble before me
all the elders of your tribes and all your officials, so that I can speak
these words in their hearing and call heaven and earth to testify against them.
FOR I KNOW AFTER MY DEATH YOU ARE SURE TO BECOME UTTERLY CORRUPT and to
turn from the way I have commanded you. In days to come, disaster will fall
upon you because you will do evil in the sight of the LORD and provoke him
to anger by what your hands have made."
Moses had already written the Law down and he was to going
to use it as a witness against the evil elders!!! Notice again, in this
passage, that after Moses death, it is the elders, not the law who will become
corrupt. This is verified even more when we see how "disaster will befall
them since they did evil in the sight of the LORD". How can a book perform
actions as a human being? This is something that Osama also has yet to address.
He has intentionally lied by equating the elders to the actual text of the law,
when the passage says that the law would be a witness against the elders and
was already within the safety of the ark! Osama intentionally lied!! What a
shame, can't prove bible corruption so he must resort to bible
misinterpretation. Notice that this slander is found on most of his web
pages!!!
Hence, If Deuteronomy 31:25-29 proves bible corruption how
come we find verses after this book, which came later, showing the legitimacy
of the law? Read:
He teaches
your precepts to Jacob and YOUR LAW TO ISRAEL. He offers incense before you and whole burnt offerings on your altar.
Deut 33:10
Notice that in the next chapter after his claim of Bible
corruption we see God mentioning about teaching this very same law to
No one
will be able to stand up against you all the days of your life. As I was with
Moses, so I will be with you; I will never leave you nor forsake you. "Be
strong and courageous, because you will lead these people to inherit the land I
swore to their forefathers to give them. Be strong and very courageous. Be
careful to obey all the law my servant Moses gave you; do not turn from it to
the right or to the left, that you may be successful wherever you go. DO NOT
LET THIS BOOK OF THE LAW DEPART FROM YOUR MOUTH; meditate on it day and night,
so that you may be careful to do EVERYTHING WRITTEN IN IT. Then you will be
prosperous and successful. (Joshua 1:5-8)
If the law was already corrupted in Deuteronomy why did
Yahweh almighty explicitly tell Joshua that he must also obey the law which was
written by him also? Simple, because the bible never was corrupted nor would it
ever be corrupted.
as Moses
the servant of the LORD had commanded the Israelites. He built it according
to WHAT IS WRITTEN IN THE BOOK of the Law of Moses--an altar of uncut
stones, on which no iron tool had been used. On it they offered to the LORD
burnt offerings and sacrificed fellowship offerings. There, in the presence
of the Israelites, JOSHUA COPIED ON STONES THE LAW OF MOSES, WHICH HE HAD
WRITTEN. All
But be very careful to keep the
commandment and the law that Moses the servant of the LORD gave you: to love the LORD your God, to walk in all his ways, to obey
his commands, to hold fast to him and to serve him with all your heart and
all your soul." (Joshua 22:5)
God almighty is continuously telling his people to obey his
command in his law after Deuteronomy 31:25-29. We see that Osama's theory is
again a bogus lie propagated by his lackluster reading skills.
"Be
very strong; be careful to OBEY ALL THAT IS WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF THE LAW
of Moses, without turning aside to the right or to the left. (Joshua 23:6)
And Joshua recorded these things
in the Book of the Law of God. Then he
took a large stone and set it up there under the oak near the holy place of the
LORD. "See!" he said to all the people. "This stone will be a
witness against us. It has heard all the words the LORD has said to us. It will
be a witness against you if you are untrue to your God." (Joshua
24:26-27)
The law was still uncorrupt long after the passage that
Osama claimed and we see that it was taught over 1000 years later in
With them
were certain Levites--Shemaiah, Nethaniah,
Zebadiah, Asahel, Shemiramoth, Jehonathan, Adonijah, Tobijah and Tob-Adonijah--and the priests Elishama
and Jehoram. They taught throughout
With this ample evidence being shown lets expose Osama's
misunderstanding clearer about his claim of Deut 31:25-29 showing corruption:
See
Also Deuteronomy 31:25-29 where Moses peace be upon him predicted the
corruption/tampering of the Law (Bible) after his death.
This verse particular is verse 29 which says:
For I know
that after my death you are sure to become utterly corrupt and to turn from the way I have commanded you. In days to
come, disaster will fall upon you because you will do evil in the sight of the
LORD and provoke him to anger by what your hands have made."
However Osama violates his own word on his other web pages
when he claims this about incomplete quoting:
This is
bogus and unacceptable in the professional world of dialogues.
We wonder why he doesn't follow his own bogus word? Read
verse 28 before verse 29:
ASSEMBLE
BEFORE ME ALL THE ELDERS of your tribes
and all your officials, so that I can speak these words IN THEIR HEARING
and call heaven and earth to TESTIFY AGAINST THEM.
NOW READ VERSE 29
For I know that after my death
YOU ARE SURE TO BECOME UTTERLY CORRUPT and
to turn from the way I have commanded you. In days to come, disaster will fall
upon you because you will do evil in the sight of the LORD and provoke him to
anger by what your hands have made."
Verse 28 says Moses is testifying against the elders and
then verse 29 says that they will become corrupt using the LAW as a witness
against their corruption from the previous verses!!! Let’s look at these verses
compared with Joshua 24:26-28, to bring this point home:
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AFTER MOSES FINISHED WRITING
IN A BOOK THE WORDS OF THIS LAW FROM BEGINNING TO END, he gave this command to the Levites who carried the ark
of the covenant of the LORD: "Take this Book of the Law and place it
beside the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God. THERE IT WILL REMAIN AS
A WITNESS AGAINST YOU...ASSEMBLE BEFORE ME ALL THE ELDERS of your
tribes and all your officials, so that I can speak these words IN THEIR
HEARING and call heaven and earth to TESTIFY AGAINST THEM. For
I know that after my death YOU ARE SURE TO BECOME UTTERLY CORRUPT and to
turn from the way I have commanded you. (Deut. 31:24-26,28-29) |
And Joshua recorded these
things in the Book of the Law of God. Then he took a LARGE STONE and set it up there under the oak near the holy place of
the LORD. "See!" he said to all the people. "THIS STONE
WILL BE A WITNESS AGAINST US. It has heard all the words the LORD has said to
us. IT WILL BE A WITNESS AGAINST YOU if you are untrue to your God."
(Joshua 24:26-27) |
Both Joshua and Moses performed the same functions and used
the law as a witness against unbelievers. The Law isn't corrupted nor did the
Bible ever say that it would be corrupted. By not having hooked on phonics,
Osama has presented nothing but a phony argument in his desperate attempts to
prove Bible corruption.
LIE#10. BELIEVES THE NIV BIBLE
PROVES BIBLE CORRUPTION!
Osama Abdallah loves promoting this link:
(Just who were the real authors of the Bible? ; Found on www.answering-christianity.com)
He tries to use a mere English translation of the bible to validate his insane theories of bible corruption. Mr. Abdallah is highly educated and does have a degree in Computer engineering but one would never know this from the substance of his arguments or the quotation of scholarly material he uses.
My grandmother can read better than Mr. Abdallah and she passed away almost 5 years ago! The point of me saying this is simply the fact that Osama purposely quotes the NIV out of context to misrepresent this source. His theory that “authorship means authenticity” is easily recognized as flawed by any intelligent reader. For example:
A book could be false, EVEN IF THE AUTHOR IS NAMED.
Apparently despite all of his tricks and tactics, Mr. Abdallah has yet to figure this great mystery out. Many Christians aren’t concerned about who wrote particular books of the Bible. This is actually a red herring since to us; it is God who is the author of the bible. Mr. Abdallah tries to create this great controversy because he is hoping that Muslims will accept anything he claims at face value. Osama also fails to subject the Quran to this same test because he knows that it would also fail his criteria also. He may claim that “Allah inspired the Quran”, which is something no Christian or Muslim disputes but the simple problem facing him is “WHO ACTUALLY WROTE THE SURAH’S OF THE QURAN”? Since no particular chapter has any author given then we must conclude that the Quran is also corrupted according to Mr. Abdallah’s warped conspiracy theories.
Osama’s logic can be easily summed up here:
Because the NIV says something on the bible it therefore
must be true.
The problem with this stance also is that Osama Abdallah doesn’t except this from the NIV bible:
As far as Zondervan is concerned as the publisher of the NIV, and International Bible Society as the copyright owner of the NIV, nothing could be further from the truth. For 188 years IBS, and for 66 years Zondervan, have faithfully communicated the richness of GOD'S REVELATION. (NIV ONLINE LETTER PREFACE TO NIV BIBLE)
According to the NIV translators, it is the Bible, NOT THE QURAN, which is the revelation of God to mankind. Does Osama Abdallah accept this? No. Basically he takes quotes and assumes that anything “which agrees with what he thinks” must be true and IS TRUE. According to logic this is nothing more than SOMEONE’S OPINION. In his debate with Sam Shamoun recently, Osama Abdallah even admitted that his stance was full of embarrassing contradictions. Hence, he believes the bible to be corrupted but yet uses this same bible to find Muhammad in it. Not only is this absolutely absurd, even to intelligent non-Christians, but the sheer stupidity of such a stance would easily lead to the conclusion that “Muhammad must be a corrupt prophet prophesied by a corrupt book”!
Not only does the NIV claim that the Bible is uncorrupted, (even if they did, they aren’t mainstream Christianity!) they even go as far as to say this:
The NIV is based on the most
reliable Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek texts. A translation team of more than 100
evangelical Bible scholars from many different denominations, using four levels
of committee review, worked for 13 years before the complete Bible was released
in 1978. These scholars came from the
OPERATING FROM THE CONVICTION THAT THE BIBLE IS THE INSPIRED AND WHOLLY RELIABLE WORD OF GOD, the translators wanted to faithfully reproduce what the original Scripture writers wrote, in language that people could read and understand without difficulty. They were - and are - committed to the AUTHORITY AND INFALLIBILITY OF THE BIBLE. The NIV has become the bestselling translation of the Bible, with more than 100 million copies in print. (NIV ONLINE LETTER)
Wholly reliable word of God! You see this? Yes. Corrupted? No. If the NIV ever heard that Osama Abdallah was propagating this theory, based on their commentary, they would immediately reject this and probably attempt to sue him for slander of their material.
You will see below how he quoted the NIV and the full quotes, if applicable, as well as our comments.
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What Osama Abdallah
quoted |
Full NIV Quote or other scholarly quotes. |
Comments |
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"Serious doubts exists as to whether these verses belong to the
Gospel of Mark. They are absent from important early manuscripts and
display certain peculiarities of vocabulary, style and theological content
that are unlike the rest of Mark. His Gospel probably ended at 16:8, or its original ending
has been lost.
(From the NIV Bible Foot Notes, page 1528)" |
Some
of the most ancient authorities bring the book to a close at the end of verse
8. ONE AUTHORITY CONCLUDES THE BOOK WITH THE SHORTER ENDING; OTHERS
INCLUDE THE SHORTER ENDING AND THEN CONTINUE WITH VERSES 9-20. IN MOST
AUTHORITIES VERSES 9-20 FOLLOW IMMEDIATELY AFTER VERSE 8, though in some
of these authorities the passage is marked as being doubtful. (Word Study
Greek-English New Testament, Tyndale, Wheaton,
Illinois, Paul R. McReynolds, 1999 ISBN 0-8423-8290-9) |
History has shown that Mark has both a short
as well as an unabridged ending. Most authorities have Mark 16:9-20. It is
only "SOME" who mark it as doubtful. Most means more than Some.
That is what the NIV said that the ending: PROBABLY
ENDED at 16:8 They were aware that most MSS have this
verse and it would be incorrect to claim that this verse was a later
insertion! Osama's whole evidence was based on probable evidence. If he
wanted to prove that Mark 16:9-20 was clearly a later addition, surely he
could've furnished a NIV quote that explicitly says "THIS GOSPEL
DEFINITELY ENDED AT VERSE 8 AND THE REST IS A LATER INSERTION". |
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"Although
the author does not name himself, evidence outside the Scriptures and
inferences from the book itself lead to the conclusion that the author was
Luke. (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 1643)" |