Recently Osama Abdallah posted material talking how Jews were supposed to stick their fingers in the daughters vagina. Here is his argument:
Fathers sticking their fingers into their daughters' vaginas before marriage in the Bible:
Let us look at the following Verses in the Bible: "If a man takes a wife and, after laying with her, dislikes her and slanders her and gives her a bad name, saying, 'I married this woman but when I approached her, I did not find proof of her virginity,' then the girl's father and mother shall bring proof [how do you think they would do that?] that she was a virgin to the town elders at the gate. The girl's father will say to the elders, 'I gave my daughter in marriage to this man, but he dislikes her. Now he has slandered her and said, 'I did not find your daughter to be a virgin.' But here is the proof of my daughter's virginity.' Then her parents shall display the cloth [the father would literally stick his two fingers covered with a piece of cloth into his daughter's vagina before she gets married and keep that bloody cloth for as long as his daughter is married] with before the elders of the town, and the elders shall take the man and punish him. (From the NIV Bible, Deuteronomy 22:13-18)" I know very well that the Iraqi and Iranian and Egyptian Jews used to do it. The father sticks his two fingers into his daughter's vagina covered in a piece of cloth and then he goes outside and shows everyone that she is virgin by displaying the bloody cloth before his daughter's actual marriage in few hours.
I had some Christians raise high objections to this point, and some had even critisized me of being a "liar". Well, if you do not believe me then go and seek it among Jews for yourself. Also, using your own personal common sense, explain to me what the Bible means by "her parents shall display the cloth" and its relationship to the girl's virginity? If the husband is the one to take his wife's virginity through sexual intercourse, then what would having the girl's parents displaying "the cloth" have anything to do with it?
What do the Jews actually think:
Responses to Osama will come from Jews particularly the Jews from “JEWS FOR JUDAISM” a favorite of his. We will actually see what they say and you will know for a fact that Osama is a liar and a person who resorts to nothing more than false slander.
Dear Quennel Gale,
Please do not dignify these virulently anti-semitic, (and anti-everyone who is not a moslem), hate-mongers. I have visited this website on a few occasions and can tell you that it will make absolutely no difference how articulate you are in refutation, they will still despise and ridicule you. If you want to ask me personally about this allegation please call me directly at (310) 854-3381 Jews for Judaism, and I will give you a response.
Rabbi aaron parry
One of the head rabbis at Jews for Judaism called Osama’s material anti-semitic and has made attempts at answering his silly material. Yes my friends this is the same site that Osama uses to try and answer Christianity. It’s hilarious that he has to resort to Jews to answer Trinity when the Quran says neither to take Jews as friends. Also its funny how he doesn’t provide any reference as well as trying to tell the Jews how their society operated. Lets continue with more responses.
The things that you are asking me to respond to are the same things that you will find on the white supremacist sites - typically anti-semitic. If you search the web, you will see that they have already been responded to many times. It does not prevent these anti-Semites from-writing it again. I will not respond to each of these as you find them. Sorry, I just don't have the time.
The Jew named Mr. Powers, called Osama’s tactics cheap material stolen from white racists sites!!! Its funny how Arabs appeal to the Klu Klux Klan for their arguments against Jews and the Torah when these same people think of them as being nothing more than Towel head wearing camel riders!! No offence, but that is what they say about Arabs. Just to reiterate, Mark Powers also is a Jew who works for “Jews for Judaism”, one of Osama’s favorite site, in which he gets his information. One Jew listed on Jews for Judaism thought that I wrote that crap:
are you crazy? your name is queball not screwball! JYSCHWARTZ
I had to tell him that I was just referring this information from another sources. But it shows just how much Osama’s theories are good for. Nothing but screwballs!!! Mr. Schwartz said it perfectly. Now since we have already shown you that Jews particularly “Jews for Judaism” think of Osama’s theories as being hogwash, anti-semitic, and downright bogus lets show you the answers. Mark Powers from “Jews for Judaism” is the first in answering Osama’s silly misunderstanding of the Bible:
The cloth is the sheet from the marriage bed which would contain the blood from the first intercourse. Get real.
Ooh, not before she gets married and have intercourse which Osama says in this statement:
Then her parents shall display the cloth [the father would literally stick his two fingers covered with a piece of cloth into his daughter's vagina before she gets married
But after when she gets married and then has intercourse!!! See how Osama intentionally lies about this
matter, he claims that Iranian Jews do this but has he even talked to a Jew?
Obviously not!!! With Mr. Powers previous statement in mind, lets conclude with
Here is my response
Dear Mr. Abdallah,
I appreciate your challenge to ask a Jew or a rabbi about the alleged checking of women's virginity by the father. I understand that as a Muslim, you would endeavor to prove that the Torah of the Jews is corrupt. That is part of Muslim teaching, that only the Koran is the accurate word of G-d. I have no problem respecting your beliefs and your efforts to prove them. However, like most untruths, your allegations are only partially correct. Yes, Jewish law allows the man to claim that a marriage was under false pretexts if he finds her to not be verginal. She can prove her virginity by displaying a cloth ON WHICH the couple had relations. Very few communities do this, but it could be done.
Nowhere does it say that the father must check personally. That is patently false. Women do check themselves internally on a monthly basis as well as before the wedding night to make sure they are not spotting or menstruant. The Torah does prohibit cohabitation during menstruating and for seven days after onset...
We Jews also at times attempt to prove that only our faith is true as opposed to all others. The problem is that usually we are not experts in what others actually do or think. It is probably best to strengthen ourselves in our respective faiths by deepening our appreciation of our faith and not by attempting to put down others and their practices.
Rabbi Joel finkelstein
Not only does Rabbi Finkelstein prove that “this practice is done by women and not the father” but he also shows that his allegations are untrue!!!! Rabbi also admitted that the Jews aren’t experts IN WHAT OTHER THINK therefore Osama is not even using the best information when he appeals to them to address the Trinity!!! There we have exposed his misinformation and we will never take his “Jews for Judaism” information seriously since they have admitted that they aren’t experts in what others think as far as their religions and faiths.
Well, if you do not believe me then go and seek it among Jews for yourself.
We have taken your challenge and we have found that your allegations are false and isn’t present at all in Judaism, orthodox or unorthodox and therefore we have concluded that Osama is nothing more than a liar trying desperate to debunk the Bible, which he has failed time and time again. The Quran tells Muslims to present their proof, however Osama lies and then claims that it is proof. The Jews don’t practice what he claims much like they didn’t call people “Sister of Mary” like his prophet Muhammad claimed that they did. There is not difference between Osama and Muhammad since both are boldface liars. God Bless all.
Quennel Gale at email@example.com