Did Uthman standarize Quran base on dialect?

In a recent post to me Osama told me to go to this link addressing why Uthman burned the Quran. We will see if his arguments hold any weight whatsoever.

Why did Uthman, Prophet Muhammad's third disciple burn the "other books"?

When the Noble Quran was revealed to Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him, it was revealed in Arabic, and in the Quraishii dialect.  The Quraishi dialect is the most proper Arabic dialect that properly uses the Arabic words without altering their sound.

Actually this is a bogus unprovable statment since nobody around Muhammad's time considered the Quraishi Dialect to be any more eloquent and proper than anybody else. Notice in the Hadiths or even the Quran do we see that the Quraish being extoled for their language. Osama believes in this silly idea since he blindly believes the Quran without proving that it is the word of God.

The Quraishi dialect was the most popular dialect in the Middle East at that time, and is today the dialect used with Arabs speak Proper Arabic with each others.  The dialect that books teach at schools is also a Quraishi dialect today.

Back in the Middle East 1400 years ago, the Quraishi dialect was not the only one used among Arabs.  There existed 6 other dialects along with it, but as I said, it was the most popular.

If the Quraish dialect was the most popular dialect then that means that the majority of the people in the Middle east spoke Arabic! However as silly as this idea is historically, Osama does tell us that "AS I SAID IT WAS MOST POPULAR". So basically it is popular because of what Osama says? Who cares what Osama says especially since he doesn't present a single reference to prove this case.

It is very important in the Islamic faith that when we recite the Noble Quran, we recite it in the Quraishi dialect or what we call today in the proper Arabic.  We can't pronounce for instance "th" as "sa" or "za".  We can't pronounce "la" as "laman".  We can't pronounce "ja" and "ga", etc...

In Islam, properly reciting the Words of Allah Almighty is the way it must be practiced.  Otherwise, it would be considered a sin or disrespect to Allah Almighty and the individual would be disobeying Allah Almighty and would gain bad deeds that will count against him in the Day of Judgment if he did it intentionally.

The Quran nor the Hadith says no such thing, this again is Osama's wishful thinking about reciting the Quran in the Quraish dielect. Here is what authethic Islamic history says:

Bukhari: vol. 6, hadith 514, p. 482; book 61

Narrated Umar bin Al-Khattab:

I heard Hisham bin Hakim reciting Surat Al-Furqan during the lifetime of Allah's Apostle and I listen to his recitation and noticed that he recited in several different ways which Allah's Apostle had not taught me. I was about to jump over him during his prayer, but I controlled my temper and when he had completed his prayer, I put his upper garment around his neck and seized him by it and said, "Who taught you this Surat which I heard you reciting ?" He replied, "Allah's Apostle taught it to me". I said, "You have told a lie, for Allah's Apostle taught it to me in a different way from yours". So I dragged him to Allah's Apostle and said, "I heard this person reciting Surat Al-Furqan in a way which you haven't taught me!". On that Allah's Apostle said, "Release him (Umar) recite, O Hisham!" Then he recited in the same way I heard him reciting. Then Allah's Apostle said, "It was revealed in this way", and added, "Recite, O Umar", I recited it as he had taught me. Allah's Apostle then said, "It was revealed in this way. This Qur'an has been revealed to be recited in seven different ways, so recite of it whichever is easier for you."

Bukhuri: vol. 4, hadith 682, book 56

Narrated Ibn Mas'ud:

I heard a person reciting a (Quranic) Verse in a certain way, and I had heard the Prophet reciting the same Verse in a different way. So I took him to the Prophet and informed him of that but I noticed the sign of disapproval on his face, and then he said, "BOTH OF YOU ARE CORRECT, so don't differ, for the nations before you differed, so they were destroyed."

The above hadiths clearly shows that Muhammad allowed some variation regarding the reciting of the Qur'an. Therefore Osama's assertions are nothing more than pure crap thought of to fool ignorant Muslims.

The preservation of the Noble Quran:

When Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him received the Noble Quran's Revelations in a 10-years span, he had everything documented on paper and saved with his close disciples and immediate family.  He also had the entire Noble Quran memorized along with many of his followers.  The Noble Quran during the times of our beloved Prophet peace be upon him was carefully preserved and protected from man's corruption.  It was documented on paper and it was entirely memorized by many.

This again is another bogus assertion since no such thing happened. Read from Islamic history:

Bukhari: vol. 6, hadith 509, p. 477; book 61

Narrated Zaid-bin-Thabit:

Abu Bakr As-Siddiq sent for me when the people of Yama-ma had been killed (i.e. a number of the prophets companions who fought against Musailama). (I went to him) and found Umar bin Al-Khattab sitting with him. Abu Bakr then said to me, "Umar has come to me and said: `Casualties were heavy among the Qurra of the Qur'an (ie those who knew the Qur'an by heart) on the day of the battle of Yama-ma, and I am afraid that more heavy casualties may take place among the Qurra on other battle fields, whereby a large part of the Qur'an may be lost. Therefore I suggest that you (Abu Bakr) order that the Qur'an be collected'. I said to Umar, `How can you do something Allah's Apostle did not do?' Umar said, `By Allah, that is a good project'. Umar kept on urging me to accept his proposal till Allah opened my chest (persuaded me) for it and I began to realise the good idea which Umar had realised.

This hadith from Bukhari clearly shows that Muhammad never made a final collection of the Qur'an, for when Abu Bakr was asked to collect the Qur'an into one volume he said, "How can you do something Allah's Apostle did not do?" Since there was no authorised Qur'an there was some confusion amongst the early Muslims as to what was the right way to recite the Qur'an.

Historically, almost every Muslim scholar had the entire Noble Quran memorized by heart.  If you live among Muslims or know well how the Muslims deal with the Noble Quran, then you would know that tampering with the Noble Quran is impossible among the Muslims.  If someone recites the Noble Quran to the public (in the Mosque for instance) and makes a mistake, then he would find many who would correct him because they would have the entire Noble Quran memorized by heart.

The memorization of the entire Noble Quran is something sacred in Islam.  It helped the Noble Quran remain error-free from man's false documentation.  Today in the Middle East they have programs and rewards for those who have the entire Noble Quran memorized.  I once saw on TV a biography about a 4-years old little boy in Iran who had the entire Noble Quran memorized.  He received a big reward and was enlisted in the "gifted kids" program.

Of course no name of the TV biography nor was station it came on. However, because the little boy was gifted doesn't mean that any of Muhammad's follwers were gifted:

"Many (of the passages) of the Qur'an that were sent down were known by those who died on the day of Yamama ... but they were not known (by those who) survived them, nor were they written down, nor had Abu Bakr, Umar or Uthman (by that time) collected the Qur'an, nor were they found with even one (person) after them." (Ibn Abi Dawud, Kitab al-Masahif, p. 23).

According this source, portions of the Quran that had been memorized by those slain in the battle vanished, never to be found again.

The Myth Of Memorization As A Means Of Preservation

Osama assumes that memorization was the chief means of preserving the Quran. We have already seen how memorizers of the Quran were in disagreement over the contents of the Quran and that some memorizers died, taking with them portions of the Quran that only they had known.

Furthermore, the hadith provides evidence for the faulty memories of both Muhammad and his companions:

Narrated 'Aisha: Allah's Apostle heard a man reciting the Qur'an at night, and said, "May Allah bestow His Mercy on him, as he has reminded me of such-and-such Verses of such-and-such Suras, which I was caused to forget." (Bukhari, Volume 6, Book LXI, Number 558)

Narrated Abdullah ibn Mas'ud: The Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) offered prayer. The version of the narrator Ibrahim goes: I do not know whether he increased or decreased (the rak'ahs of prayer).

When he gave the salutation, he was asked: Has something new happened in the prayer, Apostle of Allah? He said: What is it? They said: You prayed so many and so many (rak'ahs). He then relented his foot and faced the Qiblah and made two prostrations. He then gave the salutation. When he turned away (finished the prayer), he turned his face to us and said: Had anything new happened in prayer, I would have informed you. I am only a human being and I forget just as you do; so when I forget, remind me, and when any of you is in doubt about his prayer he should aim at what is correct, and complete his prayer in that respect, then give the salutation and afterwards made two prostrations. (Sunan Abu Dawud, Book 3, Number 1015)

Narrated Abdullah: I recited before the Prophet 'Fahal-min-Mudhdhakir'. The Prophet said, "It is Fahal-min Muddakir." (Bukhari, Volume 6, Book 60, Number 397)

Abu Harb b. Abu al-Aswad reported on the authority of his father that Abu Musa al-Ash'ari sent for the reciters of Basra. They came to him and they were three hundred in number. They recited the Qur'an and he said: You are the best among the inhabitants of Basra, for you are the reciters among them. So continue to recite it. (But bear in mind) that your reciting for a long time may not harden your hearts as were hardened the hearts of those before you. We used to recite a surah which resembled in length and severity to (Surah) Bar'at. I have forgotten it with the exception of this which I remember out of it: "If there were two valleys full of riches, for the son of Adam, he would long for a third valley, and nothing would fill the stomach of the son of Adam but dust." And we used so recite a surah which resembled one of the surahs of Musabbihat, and I have forgotten it, but remember (this much) out of it: "O people who believe, why do you say that which you do not practise: (lxi 2.) and "that is recorded in your necks as a witness (against you) and you would be asked about it on the Day of Resurrection" (xvii. 13) (Sahih Muslim, Book V, Number 2286)

Osama continues:

We must know that according to Islam Allah Almighty Himself is protecting the Noble Quran until the Day of Judgment from man's corruption: "We [Allah] have, without doubt, sent down the Message [The Noble Quran]; and We will assuredly Guard it (from corruption).  (The Noble Quran, 15:9)"

It strikes us as being peculiar as to why Osama is willing to take what he Quran says about itself and disregard what it says about the Bible.

If only the People of the Book had believed and been righteous, We should indeed have blotted out their iniquities and admitted them to Gardens of Bliss. If only they had stood fast by the Torah, the Gospel, and all the revelation that was sent to them from their Lord, they would have (enjoyed) eating both from above them and from below their feet. There is from among them a party on the right course: but many of them follow a course that is evil. S 5:65-66

Do you see Allah telling us that the people of the book disbelieved because they changed the Torah or Gospel? No!

Say: "O People of the Book! ye have no ground to stand upon unless ye stand fast by the Torah, the Gospel, and all the revelation that has come to you from your Lord." It is the revelation that cometh to thee from thy Lord, that increaseth in most of them their obstinate rebellion and blasphemy. But sorrow thou not over (these) people without Faith. Those who believe, those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Sabians and the Christians,- any who believe in Allah and the Last Day, and work righteousness,- on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve. 5:68-69

Clear proof from the Quran that if you follow the Jewish scriptures and the Christian Gospel, it is a revelation from God and it will lead you to heaven. Why would Allah claim that the Bible was corrupted and then later come back and say that if you believe in these same books you will go to heaven? Does Allah forget this quick? Is this why the Quran need abrogation to correct its embarrasing errors? What Does Allah say about the word of God, (Torah and Gospel).

The Word of thy Lord doth find its fulfillment in truth and in justice: None can change His Words: for He is the One who heareth and knoweth all. S. 6:115

And recite (and teach) what has been revealed to thee of the Book of thy Lord: none can change His Words, and none wilt thou find as a refuge other than Him. S. 18:27

It is amazing that Osama didn't elaborate on these verses in the Quran, maybe he forgot about them or he intentionally ignores their implication which says that "NO ONE can change the words of God". If Osama claims otherwise, he obviously is admitting that God is a liar. This is fine with us since we already know that Allah is a pagan devil from Sumer.

After the death of our beloved Prophet peace be upon him:

When Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him died, Islam was still small geographically.   The Muslims mostly existed in the two cities of Mecca and Madina.  Comparing those two cities' size to the Middle East region's size, they would not even be 0.0001% in comparison.

Here we see a contradiction, first Osama says that The Quraish dialect was the most popular but however Muslims who recited the Quran in this dialect only made up 0.0001%? Interesting indeed.

After the death of our beloved Prophet, Islam started to expand in the Middle East region.  Not only the People of the entire region didn't have the same dialect, but also they had different languages.  The languages that were spoken in the region at that time were Arabic (with its 7 dialects), Persian, Assyrian, Hebrew and some Greek.   All of these languages are quite different from each others.  You would need a translator to translate almost 100% of the conversation if you were to pick two languages and have two people converse with them, each person with one language.

If these languages are so different, how come Osama isn't saying this when he is trying to force Ellah to Be Allah? Notice the deceit and the selective arguments used by him to fool ignorant Muslim readers.

As the Muslims expanded through the entire region, which is thousands of squared miles in area, the Noble Quran was documented at different places with different dialects.

Islam mostly spread throughout the region during the first two Caliphs (our Prophet's disciples); may Allah Almighty be pleased with them, Abu-Baker Al-Siddeeq, and Omar bin Al-Khattab.  They were mostly concerned with spreading Islam to the people of the entire region and never had the time, nor the rulership (since Islam wasn't quite spread throughout the entire region until toward the end of the second disciple's time) to unify the Noble Quran or the teaching of the Noble Quran with one dialect. 

When Uthman bin Aaffan (the third disciple) came, Islam was pretty stable in the region, and he had rulership to implement the Quraishi dialect among all the Arabic speaking people in the region, and to teach them the Noble Quran through that dialect only.

When Uthman got hold of all of the Noble Qurans that were written by different dialects, and in some cases were altered to sound exactly like the other dialects, he ordered for them to get burnt because they did not use the proper Arabic that was revealed unto our beloved Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him, and in some cases their words were different because of this dialect difference.  He then compiled all of the Noble Surahs (Chapters) of the Noble Quran that were already written during the time of Prophet Muhammad in the city of Madina and formed what we call today the one true copy of the "Noble Quran". 

Lets see what history really shows:
Bukhari: vol. 6, hadith 510, pp. 478-479; book 61

Narrated Anas bin Malik:

Hudhaifa bin Al-Yaman came to Uthman at the time when the people of Sham and the people of Iraq were Waging war to conquer Arminya and Adharbijan. Hudhaifa was afraid of their (the people of Sham and Iraq) differences in the recitation of the Qur'an, so he said to 'Uthman, "O chief of the Believers! Save this nation before they differ about the Book (Quran) as Jews and the Christians did before." So 'Uthman sent a message to Hafsa saying, "Send us the manuscripts of the Qur'an so that we may compile the Qur'anic materials in perfect copies and return the manuscripts to you." Hafsa sent it to 'Uthman. 'Uthman then ordered Zaid bin Thabit, 'Abdullah bin AzZubair, Said bin Al-As and 'AbdurRahman bin Harith bin Hisham to rewrite the manuscripts in perfect copies. 'Uthman said to the three Quraishi men, "In case you disagree with Zaid bin Thabit on any point in the Qur'an, then write it in the dialect of Quraish, the Qur'an was revealed in their tongue." They did so, and when they had written many copies, 'Uthman returned the original manuscripts to Hafsa. 'Uthman sent to every Muslim province one copy of what they had copied, and ordered that all the other Qur'anic materials, whether written in fragmentary manuscripts or whole copies, be burnt. Said bin Thabit added, "A Verse from Surat Ahzab was missed by me when we copied the Qur'an and I used to hear Allah's Apostle reciting it. So we searched for it and found it with Khuzaima bin Thabit Al-Ansari. (That Verse was): 'Among the Believers are men who have been true in their covenant with Allah.' (33.23)

Here we see how the problem of having different versions of the Qur'an was fixed. It was fixed by Uthman standardising one version of the Qur'an and ordering that all others be burnt. Thus even the "seven" variations that Muhammad allowed were removed. Osama flat out lied about Muhammad and Allah, claiming that the Quraish dialect was the only tribe the Quran was to be recited or written. It should be noted that the Bible has never had a wholesale burning to standardise its text in the way that the Qur'an has.

Ever since then and till today, the Arabic Noble Quran is taught with one Arabic dialect, and that is the Quraishi dialect.  Also, the proper Arabic language as I mentioned above that is taught in schools and books today is also in the Quraishi dialect.

Osama furnishes no evidence that the Quraish language was the only language and in fact the Quran and Hadiths say just the opposite. Therefore he has resorted to lies to cover up the Quran's embarrasing history.

Osama's link in discussion was http://www.answering-christianity.com/quran/other_books.htm

E-mail me Quennel Gale at queball20@yahoo.com

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