Did Allah Almighty actually allow Bible Corruption?

Introduction: We must first of all know that the entire Bible is corrupted and unreliable and is mostly filled with man-made laws and corruption!  GOD Almighty Said: "`How can you say, "We [the Jews] are wise, for we have the law of the LORD," when actually the lying pen of the scribes has handled it falsely?' (From the NIV Bible, Jeremiah 8:8)"

See Also Deuteronomy 31:25-29 where Moses peace be upon him predicted the corruption/tampering of the Law (Bible) after his death.

The Book of Moses predicted that the Law (Bible) will get corrupted.  The Book of Jeremiah which came approximately 826 years after did indeed confirm this corruption.

Osama Abdallah spends most of his time copying and pasting from Shabbir Ally, whose apologetics have been debunked long time ago. He claims that the Bible predicts that it will be corrupted and just like Shabbir, he appeals to Jerimiah 8:8 to confirm his assertions:

Shabir on Jeremiah 8:8

Shabir claims that Jeremiah was affirming that the scribes corrupted the Torah. Shabir puts words into the mouth of the prophet Jeremiah since he never states that the Torah was corrupt. This is what he actually did say:

"How can you say, 'we are wise, for we have the law of the LORD,' when actually the lying pen of the scribes has handled it falsely?" Jeremiah 8:8

The accusation is that the scribes have falsified the Torah by their lying pens. Shabir presupposes that the manner in which the Law was falsified is by corrupting the text. Shabir assumes that this is the only possible meaning since he is convinced, as a Muslim, that the Holy Bible is no longer in its true pristine form.

But is this what Jeremiah meant? Did his hearers understand him to mean that the text of the Torah had been corrupted? Did the prophets after him agree that the Torah had been corrupted? In order to answer these questions we must look to Jeremiah and to the Holy Bible as a whole to see what indeed did Jeremiah mean.

"Say to them, 'This is what the LORD says: If you do not listen to me and follow MY LAW, which I have set before you, and if you do not listen to the words of my servants the prophets, whom I have sent to you again and again (though you have not listened) then I will make this house like Shiloh and this city an object of cursing among all the nations of the earth.'" Jeremiah 26:4-6

How could Israel follow the Law, i.e. the Torah, if it had been corrupted? This presupposes that the Torah was uncorrupt and available during the time of Jeremiah. Furthermore, since Jeremiah wrote Jeremiah 8:8 he would know best the meaning of the passage in question. Clearly, we see Jeremiah appealing to the availability of the Law in Jeremiah 26:4-6 implying that he did not believe that the scribes had corrupted the text.

The prophet Daniel writes:

"In the first year of Darius son of Xerxes (a Mede by descent), who was made ruler over the Babylonian kingdom- in the first year of his reign, I, Daniel, understood from the Scriptures, according to the word of the LORD given to Jeremiah the prophet, that the desolation of Jerusalem would last seventy years. So I turned to the LORD and pleaded with him in prayer and petition, in fasting, and in sackcloth and ashes." Daniel 9:1-3

Daniel is reading Jeremiah 25:11, 12 and 29:10 where God predicts that Israel would be taken into captivity to Babylon for 70 years. After reading this, Daniel continues to pray and says:

"Therefore the curses and sworn judgments written in the Law of Moses, the servant of God, have been poured out on us, because we have sinned against you. You have fulfilled the words spoken against us and against our rulers by bringing upon us great disaster. Under the whole heaven nothing has ever been done like what has been done to Jerusalem. JUST AS IT IS WRITTEN IN THE LAW OF MOSES, all this disaster has come upon us, yet we have not sought the favor of the LORD our God by turning from our sins and giving attention to your truth." Daniel 9:11b-13

In order for Daniel to appeal to what was written in the Law of Moses presupposes that an uncorrupt Torah was available during the time of Daniel. Furthermore, after having read Jeremiah Daniel never concludes that the Torah had been corrupted, put appeals to it as the inspired word of God. This would be a strange conclusion for Daniel to come to if Jeremiah 8:8 indeed meant that the text of the Torah had been corrupted during Jeremiah's time.

"They read from the Book of the Law of God, making it clear and giving the meaning so that the people could understand what was being read... On the second day... they gathered around Ezra the scribe to give attention to the words of the Law. They found written in the Law, which the LORD had commanded through Moses, that... Day after day, from the first day to the last, Ezra read from the Book of the Law of God..." Nehemiah 8:13-14,18

This occurred approximately 430 B.C. nearly 180 years after Jeremiah's temple address which took place in 609 or 608 B.C. (see Jeremiah 26:1). Again, in order for Ezra the scribe to be able to both read from the Law of Moses and expound it presupposes that a true, uncorrupt copy of the Torah was available at that time.

Finally, the Lord Jesus and his followers quoted from the Torah as we know it today and never assumed that it was corrupt. (cf. Matthew 4:4,7,10; 22:31-32; 1 Timothy 5:18) In fact, Jesus claimed that the Torah as it exists would not pass away until all was fulfilled:

"I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished." Matthew 5:18

If Jeremiah 8:8 does not mean that the text of the Torah had been corrupted what did Jeremiah mean by the statement that the lying pens of the scribes have falsified it? Presumably, Jeremiah could have been referring to the written commentary of the scribes whereby they falsely interpreted the Law of God, leading people astray by their traditions. A similar situation arose between Jesus and the scribes and Pharisees:

"Then some Pharisees and teachers of the law came to Jesus from Jerusalem and asked, 'Why do your disciples break the tradition of the elders? They don't wash their hands before they eat!' Jesus replied, 'And why do you break the command of God for the sake of your tradition?... Thus you nullify the word of God for the sake of your tradition. You hypocrites! Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you: 'these people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. They worship me in vain; their teachings are but rules taught by men.'" Matthew 15:1-3,6b-9

Jeremiah could have been rebuking the scribes for traditions that was leading the people astray and to rejecting the word of God. This can be seen from the passage that immediately follows:

"The wise will be put to shame; they will be dismayed and trapped. Since they have rejected the word of the LORD, what kind of wisdom do they have." Jeremiah 8:9

(From Shabir-Ally/anomalies, by Sam Shamoun)

It is very hard to fathom how Jerimiah can claim that the bible was corrupted in light of what he said in Jeremiah 8:9. Notice that Osama doesn't post any other verses around for immediate context. Most of his apologetics are outdated and is reliant on previous Islamic authors who are more bright than him.

Q3:  Muslims believe that the current Bible is not all the true word of GOD, and only the Quran is.  If so, then why did the GOD of Islam allow for His Words to get corrupted in the Bible? or why did He allow for the original copy of the Bible to be lost?

A3:  Before I answer this question from the Islamic perspective, we must first know that the Bible itself admits that it is a corrupted Book from the introduction above.

Actually Osama hasn't proven that the Bible is corrupted he has just proven that he copies and pasts from Shabbir Ally. Also the God of Islam isn't the God of the Bible since Jews didn't address God as "Allah" but as Yahweh. We have just proven that Osama doesn't even read the Bible or he wouldn't this foolish in posting this embarrasing imformation above.

According to Islam, Allah Almighty (GOD Almighty) in the Bible promised those who try to tamper His Words in the Bible to face hell fire, because He knew that it was going to happen.   He gave the people of the book (Jews and Christians) a chance/test and they simply blew it!. 

Osama makes this accusation without showing you which verse he is talking about. Show us where God said that he will promise hell fire to people if they changed his words. Here is what the word of the Quran says about God's word being change:

The Word of thy Lord doth find its fulfillment in truth and in justice: None can change His Words: for He is the One who heareth and knoweth all. S. 6:115

And recite (and teach) what has been revealed to thee of the Book of thy Lord: none can change His Words, and none wilt thou find as a refuge other than Him. S. 18:27

It is amazing that Osama didn't elaborate on these verses in the Quran, maybe he forgot about them or he intentionally ignores their implication which says that "NO ONE can change the words of God". If Osama claims otherwise, he obviously is admitting that God is a liar. This is fine with us since we already know that Allah is a pagan devil from Sumer.

Today, there is no one Bible!.  The number of Books/Gospels in the Roman Catholics Bible for instance is different from the King James Version Bible, which is different in the number of Books/Gospels from the Jehovah's Witnesses Bible, which is different in the number of Books/Gospels from the Mormon's Bible, etc... 

It is easy to see Osama's idiotic fallacy since all of these so-called different Bibles are ENGLISH TRANSLATIONS!!! Muslims like Osama seem to ignore history and the simple fact that God never revealed the Bible in English and that in order to judge Christianity you must judge the Bible from the Hebrew and Greek language and not the English text. How would Osama like if I used this same methodology against the Quran? Would he also agree?

First of all in order to say that the bible is corrupt, we must compare them from every language on earth since all Christians don't speak English! Osama thinks that if there are discrepancies found in the ENGLISH bible then it affects Christianity as a whole! What about Arab speaking Christians who don't know English should we put them in this argument dealing with the Bible versions too? What about Spanish speaking Christians, are they supposed to be judged along with their faith using the ENGLISH bible? This is the type of argument Muslims use today and it is very easily answered once one sits down and evaluate what they are actually saying. Therefore in order for the Quran to be right and Christianity to be wrong, based on common Islamic arguments, the English bible must be used as the judgement for all Christians when all Christians don't even speak English! How hilarious to say the least.

Look at Noble Verse 5:13 from the Noble Quran: "But on account of their breaking their covenant We cursed them (Jews and Christians) and made their hearts hard; they altered the words from their places and they neglected a portion of what they were reminded of; and you shall always discover treachery in them excepting a few of them; so pardon them and turn away; surely Allah loves those who do good (to others)." 

Israel, when it lost Allah Almighty's grace, began to sin against truth and religion in three ways: (1) they began to misuse Scripture itself, by either taking words out of their right meaning, or applying them to things for which they were never meant; (2) in doing so, they conveniently forgot a part of the Message and purpose of Allah; and (3) they invented new deceits to support the old ones.

Let us look at Noble Verse 5:41 "O Apostle! let not those grieve thee, who race each other into unbelief: (whether it be) among those who say "We believe" with their lips but whose hearts have no faith; or it be among the Jews,- men who will listen to any lie,- will listen even to others who have never so much as come to thee. They change the words from their (right) times and places: they say, 'If ye are given this, take it, but if not, beware!' If any one's trial is intended by God, thou hast no authority in the least for him against God. For such - it is not God's will to purify their hearts. For them there is disgrace in this world, and in the Hereafter a heavy punishment."

Osama is obviously a neophyte in these matters or he wouldv'e known that:

Ibn Abbas Muhammad's first cousin and a Sahabi (Companion) explicitly states that none of God's Books (i.e. the Holy Bible and the Quran) have ever been nor could they ever be corrupted. In Sahih al-Bukhari, Kitaab Al-Tawheed, Baab Qawlu Allah Ta'ala, "Bal Huwa Qur'aanun Majeed, fi lawhin Mahfooth" (i.e. in Sahih al-Bukhari, Book "The Oneness of God", the Chapter on Surat Al-Borooj (no. 85), Verses 21, 22 saying, "Nay this is a Glorious Qur'an, (Inscribed) in a Tablet Preserved.") we find in a footnote between 9.642 and 643:

"'They corrupt the word' means 'they alter or change its meaning.' Yet no one is able to change even a single word from any Book of God. The meaning is that they interpret the word wrongly." [... and he continues to speak about how the Qur'an is preserved ...]

This is the Tafseer (commentary) of Abdullah Ibn Abbas, one of the Sahaba (Companions) and Muhammad's cousin. His opinions (because he is a Sahabi) are held to be above the opinions and commentaries of all other Sheikhs who are not Sahaba.

Lets investigate Osama's use of Surah 5:13 to see what it is actually talking about. He claims that it proves that the Bible was corrupted but by reading the Quranic passage it is the exact opposite:

12. Allah did aforetime take a covenant from the Children of Israel, and We appointed twelve chieftains among them. And Allah said: "I am with you: if ye (but) establish regular prayers, give Zakat (regular charity), believe in my messengers, honor and assist them, and loan to Allah a beautiful loan, verily I will wipe out from you your evils, and admit you to Gardens with rivers flowing beneath; but if any of you, after this, resisteth faith, he hath truly wandered from the path or rectitude."

13. But because of their breach of their covenant, We cursed them, and made their hearts grow hard: they change the words from their (right) places and forget a good part of the message that was sent them, nor wilt thou cease to find them - barring a few - ever bent on (new) deceits: but forgive them, and overlook (their misdeeds): for Allah loveth those who are kind.

14. From those, too, who call themselves Christians, We did take a covenant, but they forgot a good part of the message that was sent them: so We stirred up enmity and hatred between the one and the other, to the Day of Judgment. And soon will Allah show them what it is they have done. 15. O people of the Book! There hath come to you our Messenger, revealing to you much that ye used to hide in the Book, and passing over much (that is now unnecessary): There hath come to you from Allah a (new) light and a perspicuous Book,- S. 5:12-15

When reading this passage in context it shows that the Jews were cursed because they forgot God's covenant with them. This caused them to change the words by their tongues as well as forget the message which was already with them. This is verfied later in this passage when we see the Jews twisting the Quran:

O Messenger! let not those grieve thee, who race each other into unbelief: (whether it be) among those who say "We believe" with their lips but whose hearts have no faith; or it be among the Jews,- men who will listen to any lie,- will listen even to others who have never so much as come to thee. They change the words from their (right) places: they say, "If ye are given this, take it, but if not, beware!" If any one's trial is intended by Allah, thou hast no authority in the least for him against Allah. For such - it is not Allah's will to purify their hearts. For them there is disgrace in this world, and in the Hereafter a heavy punishment. S. 5:41

Muhammad used to recite the Quran and the Jews would change his words into something derogatory. Using Osama's assertions we must also conclude that the Jews altered the Quran also. Another great piece of evidence against the Bible being changed other than altering the words which were already present in seen in these verses:

If only the People of the Book had believed and been righteous, We should indeed have blotted out their iniquities and admitted them to Gardens of Bliss. If only they had stood fast by the Torah, the Gospel, and all the revelation that was sent to them from their Lord, they would have (enjoyed) eating both from above them and from below their feet. There is from among them a party on the right course: but many of them follow a course that is evil. S 5:65-66

Do you see Allah telling us that the people of the book disbelieved because they changed the Torah or Gospel? No!

Say: "O People of the Book! ye have no ground to stand upon unless ye stand fast by the Torah, the Gospel, and all the revelation that has come to you from your Lord." It is the revelation that cometh to thee from thy Lord, that increaseth in most of them their obstinate rebellion and blasphemy. But sorrow thou not over (these) people without Faith. Those who believe, those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Sabians and the Christians,- any who believe in Allah and the Last Day, and work righteousness,- on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve. 5:68-69

Clear proof from the Quran that if you follow the Jewish scriptures and the Christian Gospel, it is a revelation from God and it will lead you to heaven. Why would Allah claim that the Bible was corrupted and then later come back and say that if you believe in these same books you will go to heaven? Does Allah forget this quick? Is this why the Quran need abrogation to correct its embarrasing errors? Or is it Osama twisting passages while relying on Shabbir Ally? The latter 2 options seem to be more correct.

Please visit History of man's corruption in the Bible for more details.  Allah Almighty in the Noble Quran on the other hand, did promise that He will personally guard the Noble Quran from corruption.  He never promised hell fire to anyone who tries to tamper His words in the Noble Quran.  He will guard it Himself; "We (Allah) have, without a doubt, sent down the Message (The Quran); and We (Allah) will assuredly Guard it [from corruption].  (The Noble Quran, 15:9)."  Today we have only one Arabic Noble Quran.

Notice the hypocrasy used by Osama here, he says that there is one Arabic Quran but yet he tries to debunk Biblical inerrancy by using English translations!! Notice how Muslims will result to twisting their own scriptures along with twisting facts to promote their theories. However history has shown that the Quran hasn't been protected by Allah. Historical evidence disproves Osama's claims which are repeated over and over by Muslims: "it is quite clear that the text which 'Uthman canonized was only one out of many rival text... [and] there is grave suspicion that 'Uthman may have seriously edited the text he canonized." ((From "The Problem of Variants" in LE SAINT CORAN, Traduction et commentaire de Muhammad Hamidullah, avec la collaboration de M. Léturmy, nouvelle édition 1989 corrigée et augmentée, ix-x)

The well-known scholar W. Montgomery Watt, commenting on the variant readings between the codices of Abdullah Ibn Masud and Ubay Ibn Kab, writes:

"No copies exist of any of the early codices, but the list of variant readings from the two just mentioned is extensive, running to a thousand or more items in both cases." (Watt, Bell's Introduction to the Qur'an [Edinbugh: Edinburgh University Press, 1970], p. 45)

British Scholar Sir Norman Anderson states:

"So, although it is true that today the Kufan text of Hafs is accepted almost everywhere in the Muslim world, the claim commonly made by Muslims that they have ipsissima verba of what Muhammad actually said, without any variant readings, rests upon an ignorance of the facts of history." (Anderson, Islam in the Modern World [Leicester: Apollos, 1990], p. 47)
  • The Evidence From Islamic Traditions
  • 1. Quran Is Incomplete

    "Many (of the passages) of the Qur'an that were sent down were known by those who died on the day of Yamama ... but they were not known (by those who) survived them, nor were they written down, nor had Abu Bakr, Umar or Uthman (by that time) collected the Qur'an, nor were they found with even one (person) after them." (Ibn Abi Dawud, Kitab al-Masahif, p. 23).

    According this source, portions of the Quran that had been memorized by those slain in the battle vanished, never to be found again.

    Narrated Ibn 'Abbas:

    'Umar said, Ubai was the best of us in the recitation (of the Qur'an) yet we leave some of what he recites.' Ubai says, 'I have taken it from the mouth of Allah's Apostle and will not leave for anything whatever.' But Allah said: None of Our revelations do we abrogate or cause to be forgotten but We substitute something better or similar (2.106)" (Bukhari Volume 6, Book 61, Number 527)

    Narrated Ibn Abbas:

    Umar said, "Our best Qur'an reciter is Ubai and our best judge is 'Ali; and in spite of this, we leave some of the statements of Ubai because Ubai says, 'I do not leave anything that I have heard from Allah's Apostle while Allah: "Whatever verse (Revelations) do We abrogate or cause to be forgotten but We bring a better one or similar to it." (2.106) (Bukhari, Volume 6, Book 60, Number 8)

    These missing verses cannot be referring to abrogated parts of the Quran which were no longer essential since even the abrogated parts still form part of the text today.

    This is why Ibn Umar would say:

    It is reported from Ismail ibn Ibrahim from Ayyub from Naafi from Ibn Umar who said: "Let none of you say 'I have acquired the whole of the Qur'an'. How does he know what all of it is when much of the Qur'an has disappeared? Rather let him say 'I have acquired what has survived.'" (as-Suyuti, Al-Itqan fii Ulum al-Qur'an, p.524).

    2. Suras Added or Deleted

    The Islamic traditions agree that certain Muslim reciters included extra suras not found in the present text of the Quran. For instance, Ubay Ibn Kabb was considered one of the best Muslim reciters, being dubbed "the Master of the Quranic Reciters." Yet, interestingly Kabb included two extra suras, which he claimed were part of the revelation:

    "Written in the text of Ubayy ibn Ka'b were the Fatihal-kitab (the Opening Surah) and the Mu'awwi-thatayni (the Charm Surahs) and Allahumma innaa nasta'iinka (the opening words of Suratul-Khal' meaning 'O Allah, we seek your help') and Allahumma ayyaaka na'budu (the opening words of Suratul-Hafd meaning 'O Allah, we worship you')". (as-Suyuti, Al-Itqan fii Ulum al-Qur'an, p.153).

    Here are the two suras in their entirety:

    Surat al-Hafd

    You (alone) we worship, and to You (alone) we pray and lie prostrate, and to You (alone) we proceed and have descendants. We fear Your torture and hope for Your mercy. Truly Your torture will overtake the infidels.

    Surat al-Khal'

    O Allah, You (alone) we ask for help and forgiveness. We speak appreciatingly of Your goodness. Never do we disbelieve You. We repudiate and disbelieve anyone who follows immorality.

    Interestingly, Ubay was not the only one who included these suras into his codex. According to al-Suyuti, both Ibn Abbass and Abu Musa also included them as part of their text. (Al-Itqan, p. 154)

    QUESTION FOR OSAMA & OTHER MUSLIMS

    Why are these suras not part of the Quran today seeing that Muslim reciters such as Ubay claimed that God revealed them as part of the text? They lived with Muhammad they were his closest companions and yet these surahs aren't there. So much for this idea of the Quran being the same since it was first revealed.

    A continuation to my answer from sister Jacqueline S. Waheed; may Allah Almighty always be pleased with her: 

    The above question has [THREE] parts, so let us see the answers
    accordingly. To answer the part ["Muslims believe that the current Bible is
    not all the true word of GOD, and only the Quran is"] Yes, Muslims believes
    that current bible [OT &NT] is not the one[s], which God [Allaah] almighty
    gave to Moses and Jesus [peace be upon them]. But it is also verified and confirmed by
    Noble Qur'aan, which is the main source of Muslims' belief. If you read OT,
    NT, and Noble Qur'aan, it will become obvious that all missing links in the
    bible are found in Noble Qur'aan and it makes undeniable sense. That is why
    once one explore the Noble Qur'aan with its entirety in almost all cases it
    is inevitable for him/her to not say the Shahada.

    To respond to the second part of question ["If so, then why did the GOD of
    Islam allow for His Words to get corrupted in the Bible?"] "If so" is
    hardly the case here, beside that one cannot blame the God [Allaah] The
    Creator, all Knower, and all Seer of all heavens and earth for allowing His
    words to be corrupted. Such blame ONLY represents a typical frivolous
    product liability lawsuit mentality. That will not work in this UNIQUE
    case, because the God [Allaah], has already replaced the abused and
    tempered [by human] product with far SUPERIOR [product] the Final
    Revelation *****THE NOBLE QUR'AAN***** Which by the way is another
    testament of God's existence that He not only can save His word, but again
    He can give mankind a chance to correct himself and follow his true word
    [The Noble Qur'aan] to be saved. Because God [Allah] is the Most Beneficent
    and Most Merciful.

    To answer the last part of question ["or why did He allow for the original
    copy of the Bible to be lost?"]. Again in this part we see the frivolous
    product liability lawsuit mentality. Having said that God [Allaah] did not
    allow [original] copy to be lost. It was the keepers of bible[OT & NT] who
    tempered it and hide many facts that resulted in current bible not making
    any sense. Which by the way is also confirmed by God [Allaah] in Noble
    Qur'aan and I quote:

    005.015
    YUSUFALI: O people of the Book! There hath come to you our Messenger,
    revealing to you much that ye used to hide in the Book, and passing over
    much (that is now unnecessary): There hath come to you from Allah a (new)
    light and a perspicuous Book, -
    PICKTHAL: O People of the Scripture! Now hath Our messenger come unto you,
    expounding unto you much of that which ye used to hide in the Scripture,
    and forgiving much. now hath come unto you light from Allah and plain
    Scripture,
    SHAKIR: O followers of the Book! indeed Our Messenger has come to you
    making clear to you much of what you concealed of the Book and passing over
    much; indeed, there has come to you light and a clear Book from Allah;

    Followed by God [Allaah] emphasizing in Noble Qur'aan [next verse]:

    005.016
    YUSUFALI: Wherewith Allah guideth all who seek His good pleasure to ways of
    peace and safety, and leadeth them out of darkness, by His will, unto the
    light,- guideth them to a path that is straight.
    PICKTHAL: Whereby Allah guideth him who seeketh His good pleasure unto
    paths of peace. He bringeth them out of darkness unto light by His decree,
    and guideth them unto a straight path.
    SHAKIR: With it Allah guides him who will follow His pleasure into the ways
    of safety and brings them out of utter darkness into light by His will and
    guides them to the right path.

    Bottom line is that as question itself indicates by use of [words]
    "original copy" which is highly inappropriate in this case. However,
    implication by virtue of question is absurd. Because FORENSIC AND EMPIRICAL
    RESULTS proves that MASTER COPY [or SOURCE CODE] was never lost nor
    tempered. It was and it has always been in possession of God [Allaah] the
    Creator of all heaven and earth. It further proves the existence of ONE and
    ONLY God [Allaah] the all Knower and all Seer who way ahead foretold to
    Jews and Christians in OT and NT about the arrival of Prophet Muhammed
    [saw] and commanded Jews and Christians to follow Prophet Muhammed [saw].

    Noble Qur'aan 3:64! Say (O Muhammad SAW): "O people of the Scripture (Jews
    and Christians): Come to a word that is just between us and you, that we
    worship none but Allâh, and that we associate no partners with Him, and
    that none of us shall take others as lords besides Allâh[]. Then, if they
    turn away, say: "Bear witness that we are Muslims."

    Noble Qur'aan 3:85! And whoever seeks a religion other than Islâm, it will
    never be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter he will be one of the
    losers[].

    Example: If Johnny writes a letter to Marry Joe and saves it. That Marry
    Joe later edits and/or modify claiming to be original letter by Johnny.
    That can be proven wrong by Johnny because he got the master copy. So to
    make Marry Joe looks like a fool and a liar all Johnny has to do is to give
    another copy of Jean Doe to show the people that she [Marry Joe] is lying.
    It pretty bad, for Marry Joe, isn't it?

    This doesn't interest us at all since it is an unprovable opinion. Because the Quran says that it is the word of God doesn't mean it actually is. In accordance to previous revelations there must be at least 2 witnesses to prove if a word is true. Even the Quran requires this. Since the Quran only came through Muhammad and no one else, how exactly does Osama or Ms. Waheed know that it is god talking and not Muhammad? Because he said so? Hilarious!! We have seen that neither Osama or his associates know the Bible nor the Quran and we must wonder why must you impress opinions to coincide as facts without actually proving these opinions? Maybe Osama or Ms. Waheed can address this article or can they? God Bless All.

    Osama's link discussed was http://www.answering-christianity.com/que3.htm

    E-mail me Quennel Gale at queball20@yahoo.com

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