This is the second part of our response to Nisar’s following article:
http://www.answerchristianity.fsnet.co.uk/JC.htm
God And Man
Christianity teaches that Jesus' human nature and divine nature were and are inseparable and indivisible. As the incarnated Son of God, he did not and could not have one without the other, even after his death on the cross: when he was resurrected, he came back as both flesh and spirit, not as spirit only.
There is and was only the God-man Jesus, who is and was both "the man Jesus" and God the Son. They say that "the Word [the Son, Christ] became flesh and dwelt among us. The Bible clearly says that Jesus, God the Son, the Second Person of the Trinity, "the Word made flesh," did exactly that -- he physically suffered and died on the cross-- as God the Son incarnate, not merely as "the man Jesus."
And Christ's divinity remained with each... meaning the "divine part" of Christ didn't ascend to heaven or anywhere else during his death. It remained with the "human part" (in the tomb & in "hell")... forming the whole PERSON of Christ during death.
RESPONSE:
We really don’t understand what Nisar means by the “divine part” of Christ since “parts” aren’t capable of doing anything. Only conscious agents or persons are capable of performing tasks or functions.
Secondly, it is false to say that Jesus’ “divine part” remained in the tomb and in “hell” since Christ is omnipresent as far as his divine nature is concerned. In fact, all three Persons of the Godhead are omnipresent, which implies that they always remain in the presence of each other:
“‘Am I only a God nearby,’ declares the LORD, ‘and not a God far away? Can anyone hide in secret places so that I cannot see him?’ declares the LORD. ‘Do not I fill heaven and earth?’ declares the LORD.” Jeremiah 23:23-24
“For where two or three come together in my name, there am I with them.” Matthew 18:20
“and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.” Matthew 28:20
“The one who sent me is with me; he has not left me alone, for I always do what pleases him.” John 8:29
“Do not believe me unless I do what my Father does. But if I do it, even though you do not believe me, believe the miracles, that you may know and understand that the Father is in me, and I in the Father.” John 10:37-38
“Don't you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you are not just my own. Rather, it is the Father, LIVING IN ME, who is doing his work.” John 14:10
“And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Counselor to be with you forever- the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you.” John 14:16-17
“Jesus replied, ‘If anyone loves me, he will obey my teaching. My Father will love him, and WE will come to him and make OUR home with him.’” John 14:23
“My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message, that all of them may be one, Father, JUST AS YOU ARE IN ME AND I AM IN YOU. May they also be in US so that the world may believe that you have sent me. I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one: I IN THEM AND YOU IN ME. May they be brought to complete unity to let the world know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me… I have made you known to them, and will continue to make you known in order that the love you have for me may be in them and THAT I MYSELF MAY BE IN THEM.” John 17:20-23, 26
“Don't you know that you yourselves are God's temple and that God's Spirit lives in you?” 1 Corinthians 3:16
“Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your body.” 1 Corinthians 6:19-20
When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all.” 1 Corinthians 15:28
“Examine yourselves to see whether you are in the faith; test yourselves. Do you not realize THAT CHRIST JESUS IS IN YOU-unless, of course, you fail the test?” 2 Corinthians 13:5
“And God placed all things under his feet (i.e., Christ) and appointed him to be head over everything for the church, which is his body, the fullness of him who fills everything in every way.” Ephesians 1:22-23
“But to each one of us grace has been given as Christ apportioned it. This is why it says: ‘When he ascended on high, he led captives in his train and gave gifts to men.’ (What does ‘he ascended’ mean except that he also descended to the lower, earthly regions? He who descended is the very one who ascended higher than all the heavens, in order to fill the whole universe.)” Ephesians 4:7-10
“Here there is no Greek or Jew, circumcised or uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave or free, but Christ is all, and is in all.” Colossians 3:11
“Guard the good deposit that was entrusted to you--guard it with the help of the Holy Spirit who lives in us.” 2 Timothy 1:14
The following passages demonstrate that Christ was omnipresent even while on earth:
Christ saw Nathaniel under the fig tree even though Christ wasn’t physically present at the location!
Again, Christ knew that Lazarus had died even though he wasn’t physically there to see it.
In this passage, Christ knew what Thomas had said a week prior and went so far as to oblige Thomas’ request, even though the Lord Jesus wasn’t physical present at that first meeting to hear what Thomas had said!
One final example:
Again, Jesus commands demons and casts them out without having to be physically present to do so! He is able to tell the woman the precise moment the demon had left her daughter since he has sovereign control over all the forces at work in creation.
In light of the preceding passages, the Son never ceased from being omnipresent even during the Incarnation. Nor did his divine “part” descend into “hell”. Rather, Christ’s human soul descended into Hades with his physical body being entombed for three days. Christ then raised his own physical body out of the tomb on the third day:
“Men of Israel, listen to this: Jesus of Nazareth was a man accredited by God to you by miracles, wonders and signs, which God did among you through him, as you yourselves know. This man was handed over to you by God's set purpose and foreknowledge; and you, with the help of wicked men, put him to death by nailing him to the cross. But God raised him from the dead, freeing him from the agony of death, because it was impossible for death to keep its hold on him… he, foreseeing this, spoke concerning the resurrection of the Christ, that HIS SOUL was not left in HADES, nor did HIS FLESH see corruption. God has raised this Jesus to life, and we are all witnesses of the fact. Exalted to the right hand of God, he has received from the Father the promised Holy Spirit and has poured out what you now see and hear.” Acts 2:22-24, 31-33
“For Christ also died for sins once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive IN THE SPIRIT; in which he went and preached to the spirits in prison, who formerly did not obey, when God's patience waited in the days of Noah, during the building of the ark, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were saved through water. Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to God for a clear conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ, who has gone into heaven and is at the right hand of God, with angels, authorities, and powers subject to him.” 1 Peter 3:18-22 RSV
This shows that Christ was still alive and conscious during the three days that his body lay in the tomb.
But, in a real sense, one could not 'officially' proclaim Jesus as the "installed" Son of God until AFTER the resurrection. The Resurrection was the Enthronement of the Son ceremony, in which the royal Son was proclaimed as such by God before the whole world. Indeed, the early church proclaimed exactly this. Compare Romans 1.3: ... Acts 5.30ff:
RESPONSE:
We quote here Romans 1:3-4:
It is erroneously presumed that this passage teaches adoptionism, that Jesus only became God’s Son at the resurrection. The problem with this view is that it completely ignores Paul’s teaching about Christ found in both Romans and the rest of his epistles. A careful examination of Paul’s writings will demonstrate that the Apostle was anything but an adoptionist:
Paul affirms that Christ existed as God’s Son even before becoming man. Paul also affirms that the Holy Spirit is both God’s Spirit and Christ’s Spirit, and that Christ is omnipresent. Paul explicitly acknowledges the absolute Deity of the Lord Jesus Christ by affirming Christ’s preexistence as God’s Son and his essential equality with the Father.
Paul states that salvation stems from acknowledging Christ’s universal sovereign Lordship and bodily resurrection. Amazingly, Paul takes the following OT reference to Yahweh and applies it to Christ!:
This demonstrates that Paul clearly believed that Jesus is Yahweh God Almighty!
Paul again affirms the Deity of the Lord Jesus by acknowledging Christ as the universal and sovereign Lord of all. This point is brought out more clearly from what Paul wrote elsewhere:
This passage indicates that Jesus is both the Agent of creation and Yahweh God. Renowned NT scholar Richard Bauckham claims that 1 Corinthians 8:6 is actually Paul’s expansion of the Shema, the Jewish creed of monotheism found in Deuteronomy 6:4. Bauckham claims that Paul’s intention was to include Jesus in the identity of the one Lord of Jewish monotheism:
Verse 6 is a carefully formulated statement:
a but for us [there is] one God, the Father,
b from whom [are] all things and we for him,
c and one Lord, Jesus Christ,
d through whom [are] all things and we through him.
“The statement has been composed from two sources, both clearly recognizable. One is the Shema’, the classic Jewish statement of the uniqueness of God, taken from the Torah itself, recited twice daily by all observant Jews, as we noticed in chapter 1. It is now commonly recognized that Paul has here adapted the Shema’ and produced, as it were, a Christian version of it. Not so widely recognized is the full significance of this. In the first and third lines of Paul’s formula (labelled a an c above), Paul has in fact reproduced all the words of the statement about YHWH in the Shema’ (Deut. 6:4: ‘The LORD our God, the LORD, is one’), but Paul has rearranged the words in such a way as to produce an affirmation of both one God, the Father, and one Lord, Jesus Christ. It should be quite clear that Paul is including the Lord Jesus Christ in the unique divine identity. He is redefining monotheism as christological monotheism. If he were understood as adding the one Lord to the one God of whom the Shema’ speaks, then, from the perspective of Jewish monotheism, he would certainly be producing not christological monotheism but out right di-theism. The addition of a unique Lord to the unique God of the Shema’ would flatly contradict the uniqueness of the latter. (Sam’s note- this is precisely what JWs have done by denying that Jesus is the one Lord of Jewish monotheism, namely Jehovah God) The only possible way to understand Paul as maintaining monotheism is to understand him to be including Jesus in the unique identity of the one God affirmed in the Shema’. But this is in any case clear from the fact that the term ‘Lord’, applied here to Jesus as the ‘one Lord’, is taken from the Shema’ itself. Paul is not adding to the one God of the Shema’ a ‘Lord’ the Shema’ does not mention. He is identifying Jesus as the ‘Lord’ whom the Shema’ affirms to be one. Thus, in Paul’s quite unprecedented reformulation of the Shema’, the unique identity of the one God consists of the one God, the Father, and the one Lord, his Messiah. Contrary to what many exegetes who have not sufficiently understood the way in which the unique identity of God was understood in Second Temple Judaism seem to suppose, by including Jesus in this unique identity Paul is certainly not repudiating Jewish monotheism, whereas were he merely associating Jesus with the unique God, he certainly would be repudiating monotheism (Sam’s note- the very precise thing that JWs are guilty of due to their unbiblical insistence that Jesus is not included in the identity of the one God, Jehovah).” (God Crucified-Monotheism & Christology in the New Testament [Eerdmans Publishing Company, Grand Rapids, MI/ Cambridge, U.K., 1998], pp. 37-39; bold emphasis ours)
Eminent NT Scholar N.T. Wright concurs:
In the Septuagint this reads:
Akoue ‘Israel kurios ho theos hemon kurios heis estin.
What Paul seems to have done is as follows. He has expanded the formula, in a way quite unprecedented in any other texts known to us, so as to include a gloss on theos and another on kurios:
all hemin
heis theos ho pater
ek hou ta panta kai hemeis eis auton,
kai heis kurios ‘Iesous Christos,
di’ hou ta panta kai hemeis di’ autou.
Paul, in other words, has glossed ‘God’ with the ‘the Father’, and ‘Lord’ with ‘Jesus Christ’, adding in each case an explanatory phrase: ‘God’ is the Father ‘from whom are all things and we to him’, and the ‘Lord’ is Jesus the Messiah, ‘through whom are all things and we through him’. There can be no mistake: just as in Philippians 2 and Colossians 1, Paul has placed Jesus within an explicit statement, drawn from the Old Testament’s quarry of emphatically monotheistic texts, of the doctrine that Israel’s God is the one and only God, the creator of the world. The Shema was already, at this stage of Judaism, in widespread use as the Jewish daily prayer. Paul has redefined it christologically, producing what we can only call a sort of christological monotheism.
This fact is becoming more widely recognized in recent scholarship, though its omission from some of the older literature remains remarkable.” (Wright, The Climax of the Covenant, Christ and Law in Pauline Theology [Fortress Press, Minneapolis 1993 ISBN 0-8006-2827-6], pp. 128-129 bold emphasis ours)
Hence, Bauckham’s and Wright’s statements affirm that Paul’s use of “Lord” in relation to Christ indicates that the Apostle believed that Jesus is Yahweh.
Paul goes on to say:
Paul acknowledges that Christ was God’s Son even prior to the creation of all things and as the Son Christ brought all things into existence. Interestingly, Paul elsewhere says that all things were created through and for God:
“In bringing many sons to glory, it was fitting that God, FOR (eis) whom and through (di') whom everything exists, should make the author of their salvation perfect through suffering.” Hebrews 2:10
Richard Bauckham’s comments on Jesus’ role as the Agent of creation in 1 Corinthians 8:6 are noteworthy in further establishing the Apostle’s belief in Jesus as Yahweh God:
One final example to show that Paul believed that Jesus preexisted as God’s divine Son:
According to the OT the rock that provided for Israel was Yahweh God himself:
And:
“Trust in the Lord forever, for the Lord, the Lord, is the Rock eternal.” Isaiah 26:4
“Do not tremble, do not be afraid. Did I not proclaim this and foretell it long ago? You are my witnesses. Is there any God besides me? No, there is no other Rock; I know not one.” Isaiah 44:8 In light of the preceding examples, it is clear that Romans 1:4 does not teach adoptionism. Rather, Romans 1:4 is simply stating that the resurrection was God’s divine seal of approval, that the resurrection was God’s way of authenticating the claims that the Lord Jesus made about himself.
We now turn our attention to Acts 5:30-32. Here is the passage in question:
Evidently, Nisar erroneously assumes that this passage also supports adoptionism. Before responding to this error, we would first like to highlight the following points. First, this passage affirms the death and resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ, something which the Quran vehemently denies. Second, the passage states that Jesus sits enthroned as Prince and Savior, granting repentance and forgiveness of sins. These are all divine functions and indicate that Jesus is God since he does what God alone is able to do. Fourth, this passage reveals the functional or economical Trinity, namely the Trinity in action: the Father is the One that raised Christ, Jesus is the Savior that forgives sinners and grants repentance, and the Holy Spirit, along with the Apostles, testifies that these things are all true. This in turn affirms the personality of God’s Spirit.
Finally, it becomes apparent that when one reads the entire context of both Luke and Acts the last thing Luke intended to convey was that Jesus only became Savior and Prince at his ascension:
“At that time Mary got ready and hurried to a town in the hill country of Judea, where she entered Zechariah’s home and greeted Elizabeth. When Elizabeth heard Mary's greeting, the baby leaped in her womb, and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit. In a loud voice she exclaimed: ‘Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the child you will bear! But why am I so favored, that the mother of MY LORD should come to me? As soon as the sound of your greeting reached my ears, the baby in my womb leaped for joy. Blessed is she who has believed that what the Lord has said to her will be accomplished!’” Luke 1:39-45 While in Mary’s womb Jesus is Elizabeth’s Lord and is worshiped by John while the Baptist was still in his mother’s womb! Interestingly, several prominent Muslim historians and commentators affirm this account of John worshiping Jesus. Al-Qurtubi mentions Elizabeth's visitation (called Mary's sister) shortly after both women had conceived:
Al-Qurtubi continues:
Al-Tabari concurs:
And:
Continuing further:
“When Jesus saw their faith, he said, ‘Friend, your sins are forgiven.’ The Pharisees and the teachers of the law began thinking to themselves, ‘Who is this fellow who speaks blasphemy? Who can forgive sins but God alone?’ Jesus knew what they were thinking and asked, ‘Why are you thinking these things in your hearts? Which is easier: to say, “Your sins are forgiven,” or to say, “Get up and walk”? But that you may know that the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins…’ He said to the paralyzed man, ‘I tell you, get up, take your mat and go home.’ Immediately he stood up in front of them, took what he had been lying on and went home praising God. Everyone was amazed and gave praise to God. They were filled with awe and said, ‘We have seen remarkable things today.’” Luke 5:20-26
“‘Therefore, I tell you, her many sins have been forgiven-for she loved much. But he who has been forgiven little loves little.’ Then Jesus said to her, ‘Your sins are forgiven.’ The other guests began to say among themselves, ‘Who is this who even forgives sins?’ Jesus said to the woman, ‘Your faith has saved you; go in peace.’” Luke 7:48-50
“For the Son of Man came to seek and to save what was lost.” Luke 19:10 Jesus was born the Savior, having power to forgive sins.
Even prior to his ascension all things already belonged to Christ.
This passage explicitly affirms that Christ is God’s beloved Son and Heir even before his heavenly enthronement.
“Then the whole assembly rose and led him off to Pilate. And they began to accuse him, saying, ‘We have found this man subverting our nation. He opposes payment of taxes to Caesar and claims to be Christ, a king.’ So Pilate asked Jesus, ‘Are you the king of the Jews?’ ‘Yes, it is as you say,’ Jesus replied.” Luke 23:1-3 Again, these passages state that Jesus was the Christ, God’s Son and King prior to his glorious ascension into heaven.
The preceding citations help us to understand Acts 5:30-32 in its intended context. Even though Jesus was already Christ, Son, Savior and King it wasn’t until after the ascension that Christ began to rule as King. While on earth, Christ set aside his royal privileges in order to assume the role of a servant and die as a ransom for many:
Furthermore, one purpose of Christ’s mission was to atone for sin through his death on the cross. After dying and rising from the dead, Christ accomplished his mission and paid the debt of sin. Hence, Jesus could forgive sinners even before his ascension based on what he was going to accomplish on the cross. And now in heaven Christ applies the benefits of the work he accomplished on the cross by continuing to grant repentance and forgiveness of sins to all that believe in him.
This concludes the first part of this rebuttal. Part 3 to follow right after, Lord Jesus willing.
Quennel Gale at QMAX21@blackplanet.com